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Citizenship revoked of man accused of being Nazi camp guard
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Posted on 02/21/2002 9:17:12 AM PST by KantianBurke

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Red Jones
If he failed to work for the army, then he may have been killed for it. He was born in Ukraine where 6 or 8 million were killed in the 1930's by a similar actions as to the holocaust. If he is 'guilty' he was likely just trying to survive. He knew well that failure to serve the authorities could cause death, that was the environment he knew.

He wasn't impressed into service. He was a Russian soldier, captured by the Germans and as a POW volunteered for service in the SS.

42 posted on 02/21/2002 10:24:35 AM PST by SJackson
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To: KantianBurke
I have not delved into the specifics of this case, but in general we have to be VERY careful with old documentation. The Soviets manufactured a lot of fake Nazi papers to smear people in various Eastern European governments and militaries as Nazi collaborators.
43 posted on 02/21/2002 10:25:09 AM PST by eno_
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To: f.Christian
Hate is irrational--counterproductive--unbecoming...bad.

Indeed. Good description of the Nazis.

44 posted on 02/21/2002 10:28:35 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
I watched that trial---the witnesses were crazy. This man has led an exemplary life.
45 posted on 02/21/2002 10:35:07 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: LarryLied
Ha! We gonna kill every single nazi!
Bang! Bang! Ha ha!

Jewish Defense League member Earl Krugel is shown in this April 4, 1980 file photo holding a working duplicate of a 1927 Thompson submachine gun in front of a Nazi Swastka which was painted on the College of Jewish Studies in the North Hollywood section of Los Angeles. More

46 posted on 02/21/2002 10:48:14 AM PST by CommiesOut
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To: KantianBurke
Re: Demjanuk.

It's sort of beyond the appropriate time to punish this kindly former guard at a concentration camp. He should have been put up against a wall and shot long ago.

47 posted on 02/21/2002 11:10:59 AM PST by Magician
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To: f.Christian
This man has led an exemplary life.

So did Sarah Jane Olson - after she was a terrorist bomber.

48 posted on 02/21/2002 11:15:03 AM PST by veronica
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To: CommiesOut
Good photo. Then again, I am a member of the NRA.
49 posted on 02/21/2002 11:16:07 AM PST by veronica
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To: Magician
Not to mention the scar under his arm where he had the SS tatoo removed. And the fact that he claimed to have given his name by accident.......it's a different name after all. To those who believe that we should forget it all and move on.....I say...where have we heard those words before?
50 posted on 02/21/2002 11:25:21 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: analog
It is another, much more difficult case for them to take away the citizenship of a person born in the US who has no other citizenship (such as John Walker Lindh for example).

Actually, by serving in "the armed services of a foreign state," Lindh may already have lost his US citizenship. Other ways are, formally renouncing US citizenship before a US consular officer overseas and surrendering one's US passport, serving in the government of a foreign country, making an oath or declaration to a foreign state, being naturalized in a foreign state.

It would be up to the State Department to decide whether JWL still retains US citizenship. If he does not, he can't really be tried for treason, only deported to Afghanistan possibly on grounds of being an "undesirable alien."

51 posted on 02/21/2002 11:26:57 AM PST by MK
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To: Bold Fenian
Why would the US be complicit in this falsification?

The Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations was under pressure from Congress to conduct a successful prosecution. Rep. Joshua Eilberg wanted to keep his constituents happy.

52 posted on 02/21/2002 11:32:47 AM PST by aristeides
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To: BenF
Looks like the Buchananites are out in force on this one.

I was wondering the same thing when I saw the guy's name. This was the guy PJB was out in front of defending.

Go Pat Go......away.

53 posted on 02/21/2002 11:34:25 AM PST by Cable225
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To: SJackson
Soviet POWs who did not volunteer for service with the Germans had a notoriously short life expectancy.
54 posted on 02/21/2002 11:38:01 AM PST by aristeides
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To: veronica
after she was a terrorist bomber.

Persecuting this man is a terroristic bomb--bumbler!

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56 posted on 02/21/2002 11:45:42 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: CommiesOut
Ha! We gonna kill every single nazi!
Bang! Bang! Ha ha!

I've never even seen one myself but I hear they are everywhere and we must be ever on alert. There are more of them than there are Muslim terrorists and former gulag guards combined!

But aren't they getting kinda old? Still a threat I guess tho...

57 posted on 02/21/2002 11:50:43 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Oh yes, they are everywhere. Just look at this board.
Never Again, comrade! Never!
58 posted on 02/21/2002 11:56:27 AM PST by CommiesOut
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To: LarryLied
Ah you show some colors now. There is no statute of limitations on murder you know....nor should there be.
59 posted on 02/21/2002 12:01:33 PM PST by veronica
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To: Khepera
Simpleton
60 posted on 02/21/2002 12:02:29 PM PST by OWK
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