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To: Gerfang
And here’s how to do that

Take a SAD. Send him through reparative therapy, see if he can live a fulfilled normal life.

From your own postings on this thread, (which you have never disputed) the cured SAD feels content and fulfilled after sex with his wife. He lives a fulfilled normal life.

Seems that by your own postings you prove that reparative therapy works.

SAD is not just about sex. And reparative therapy doesn't deal just with sexual desires. The key is correcting the defect that underlies the sexual desires. When this defect is cured the condition can be cured.

Lets look at it another way for just an instant.

I really love cheese cake. I'd eat cheese cake every day for every meal if I could. I've always loved cheese cake. This does not make me any different from anyone else. My desire for cheese cake does not define who I am. It is merely something I choose to do.

Now if I ate cheese cake to the uncontrolled abandon that I'd like to I would quickly weigh several tons which would be unhealthy for me and for all those around me.

I can, however, train myself to like sugar free apple pie just as much as cheese cake and live a perfectly dessert fulfilled life. (happens all the time both in babies and in diabetics, desires are remarkably malleable)

I have the ability to be cured of my cheese cake desire, I just have to admit that I can be cured.

Like most SADs and SAD enablers you refuse to even admit the possibility of a cure even when one is proven effective. You do have the right to live in ignorance, but you do not have the right to stop others from becoming free of this plague. Why do you insist on trying to keep them trapped in this sickness?

GSA(P)

103 posted on 02/28/2002 7:26:48 AM PST by John O
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To: John O
From your own postings on this thread, (which you have never disputed) the cured SAD feels content and fulfilled after sex with his wife. He lives a fulfilled normal life.

I have no problem with someone who chooses to go that route. If they are content and satisfied, who am I to take that away? I’ve said this before. It is my opinion that they trade their sexuality for social acceptance by their peers. For some this is a good trade, for others it is not. We’ve been through this before, and now we are just going in circles.

I do have a problem when people use fraud and force to push reparative therapy in order to advance a political agenda. Fraud involves unsubstantiated claims – and no, if they are not attracted to women they are NOT heterosexual. Force involves the anti-sodomy laws in force in 2/3 rd’s of US States. Once again, we’ve already been through this.

SAD is not just about sex. And reparative therapy doesn't deal just with sexual desires. The key is correcting the defect that underlies the sexual desires. When this defect is cured the condition can be cured.

It is my opinion that reparative therapists may be sincere in their efforts but they end up using their patients to brace their worldviews. Maybe they have some part of the puzzle of why some people develop homosexual desires in lieu of heterosexual desires. But they allow their biases to undermine their objectivity. As a result they embrace unfounded and discredited assumptions about male behavior and as a result advocate unsound techniques. Then they refuse to submit their procedures and results for peer review and spin their findings. That’s my opinion, and I’ve already explained how you can change it.

I really love cheese cake….I can, however, train myself to like sugar free apple pie just as much as cheese cake and live a perfectly dessert fulfilled life.

Sex is not a type of food - sex is food. The need to love and be loved by someone to whom you are attracted is a fundamental human need. When you tell a homosexual to be heterosexual you aren’t taking away cheesecake, you are telling them never to eat. The result is starvation.

Like most SADs and SAD enablers you refuse to even admit the possibility of a cure even when one is proven effective.

The key words here are “proven effective”. Reparative therapy is very limited in what it can do. It does not change a homosexual into a heterosexual. Perhaps researchers will someday find a valid method of altering sexual orientation. Right now, they don’t.

You do have the right to live in ignorance, but you do not have the right to stop others from becoming free of this plague. Why do you insist on trying to keep them trapped in this sickness?

Why do you insist on assuming I’m ignorant because I don’t agree with you? Furthermore, how am I forcing people not to engage in the therapy? If homosexuals wish to utilize reparative therapy they certainly don’t need my approval. I’m just expressing my opinion that it doesn’t work.

117 posted on 03/01/2002 4:17:14 AM PST by Gerfang
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