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To: John O
This nation, in fact all of western civilization was built on a strong moral code. That code rests upon recogniztion of God and family. When you destroy the family (as the SADs are trying to do) you destroy the moral code and you destroy western society.

I agree that a strong moral code helped build our nation. I agree that religion and strong families were a big part of that heritage. But I disagree that gay men and women are trying to destroy the family; they are just trying to get along. You see homosexuals as a threat because in order for your value system to be effective, it must be universal. Reparative therapy is a means to incorporate homosexuals into that system.

But it doesn’t work. If homosexuals are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex any heterosexual marriage they enter into is a sham. Fraud or force will not change this. The mere fact of the existence of homosexuals causes people to question the values that you hold dear – and they are right to do so. And if those moral values you champion are rejected, it is not the fault of some conspiracy to do ill. Rather it is because those cultural values failed to meet the needs of our society.

When questions arise about the foundations of our cultural values we have two choices: Suppress the evidence or modify our values. Attempts to suppress the evidence by social conservative have been less than successful. I understand your concerns and I respect your ideals. But the world you want to create cannot be. A value system that doesn’t reflect objective reality isn’t worth keeping and will hold our nation back.

93 posted on 02/28/2002 4:54:23 AM PST by Gerfang
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To: Gerfang
If homosexuals are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex any heterosexual marriage they enter into is a sham.

Since when is marriage about sex?

the one phrase that always comes to mind when talking to you is
"There is none so blind as he which refuses to see"

There are thousands of cases where reparative therapy has worked. Even if there was only one, reparative therapy works. try recognizing truth once, you may like it.

God Save America (Please)

96 posted on 02/28/2002 5:44:50 AM PST by John O
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To: Gerfang;John O
"But I disagree that gay men and women are trying to destroy the family; they are just trying to get along."

In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda:

"Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine:

...to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution...

The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake --and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the notion of family entirely." "Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us."


Here's what two leaders of the homosexual community wrote in The Overhauling of Straight America:

"The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion....

At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full “appreciation” or “understanding” of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won.

The way to benumb raw sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral or supportive way...

And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent -- and only later his unsightly derriere!"

"...While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed “secular humanism”). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."


100 posted on 02/28/2002 6:41:03 AM PST by EdReform
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