Posted on 02/25/2002 12:52:18 AM PST by kattracks
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:04:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Posing as civilians, disarming an enemy population one by one would be a slow, tedious and dangerous task. I don't like to think of our military as the gun control of the world. If we wish to disarm a population then we should do it as a military operation, fully identified as such and with overwhelming force.
Agreed, although the soldiers did think they were just "playing".
Robin Sage (previously known as Gobbler's Woods) is the "graduation" exercise for Special Forces candidates. It is an unconventional warfare (UW) scenario with soldiers playing the part of guerrillas and local civilians as auxiliary support. The exercise has been held in the south-central part of North Carolina for around 40 years. Many of the civilian participants from senior citizens to children have participated in these exercises. I used children to recon targets at one time and once had an old geezer use his black-powder cannon in support of an ambush. When I was a kid I acted as a courier for messages between guerrilla groups and assisted in the hiding of downed pilots.
Before every exercise land use is coordinated with local landowners. Local government agencies are notified that the exercise will be held in their area. Sounds to me like someone screwed up and didn't notify the Moore County Sheriff's office. Normally, all law enforcement agencies are notified to be on the lookout for the guerrillas in order for the exercise controllers to direct conventional "aggressor" units to conduct anti-guerrilla operations.
Someone's head should roll. This is an exciting and realistic (this time too much so!) exercise but must be coordinated properly. I believe because of the rotation of experienced personnel into deploying/deployed units and their replacement in the training unit with National Guard and IMA personnel, someone forgot one important support coordination that will impact severely on future training of some of the best troops in the world.
True.
(isn't that the snazzy cut-down M-16?).
Sure as shootin'!
Were I Butler I would definitely be shooting first and asking questions later. While I am not happy a U.S. soldier has died this fault lies more with this soldier's officers than it does with Butler; Butler acted correctly.
Probably. But if you recall from your military days, no one but no one takes a weapon from a U.S. soldier.
I wonder if he is also "totally unaware" of the sun that shines on his head? What do you suppose he thought the source of all the explosions and machinegun fire that had been going on in his county for almost two weeks was?
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean there aren't very good reasons for it.I know you have read those reasons right here on FR,and choose to not accept them. What you DO need to accept is that there are people who know more about what the army needs than you do.
Hmmmm....because it's a part of their job skills?
HorseHillary! "Increased rate" my ass. These are regullary scheduled training operations that are occuring at the same frequency they have been occuring for years.
No,in these scenarios the deputies are working for the foreign forces that have invaded the country,and against the local population.
and therefore must be disarmed by the federal troops?
They are NOT "federal troops". They are working as a SF team that has infiltrated a occupied area to work with and train the indigident people of the area in guerilla warfare so they can overthrow the occupying foreign forces that have taken over their country. EXACTLY like what the teams did in Afhiganistan.
Lots of questions here.
Only for people whose tinfoil hats are on too tight.
And the perception here, is that there are increased MOUT training exercises happening in various cities. Perhaps this one in particular has been happening for a long time, but some of the training ops in our cities seem new to this observer.
No.
Why does our government fail to abide by their own laws?
Which laws are you talking about?
The person or persons responsible for these soldiers and their illegal training exercises should be in the iron bar hotel for an extended period of time.
There is and was nothing illegal about this exercise. SF alone has been running training operations in that area for over 40 years now,and the 82nd Abn Div was running training operations there before WW-2.
I understand and accept the need for this type of training. I just have to check my tin foil hat once a week to be sure it is in top operating condition.
That said, there were obviously some blunders made in the preparation of this exercise.
In what way? We don't know what set the stage for this yet. I have my own suspiscions,but will remain silent about them for the time being.
It's a wonder it hasn't happened sooner.
No,it's a wonder it happened now. I was working those training operations myself until about 2 years ago,and there is no way in hell that deputy didn't know the SF students were running training operations in that area. He may not have known that two of the three people in the truck he stopped were SF students on a recon operation,but the only way he could have been ignorant of their operations would be if he normally worked the southern part of Moore County (Pinehurst),and had been transfered to the northern part that very day to patrol. If that is the case,it is the fault of the sheriffs dept for not notifying him.
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