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NOVAK: Simon will win!!!!!
CNN Transcript
| February 25, 2002
| CNN
Posted on 02/25/2002 5:44:58 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
WOODRUFF: All right, another item from California: a tracking poll showing somebody in trouble on the Republican primary for governor.
NOVAK: The Democratic pollster -- Democratic pollster -- Jim Moore (ph) taking a poll of people voting in the Republican primary. A Sunday night poll showed the latest tracking, stunning results: Bill Simon Jr., the son of the late secretary treasury secretary, never run for public office, in first place with 35 percent; Richard Riordan, the former mayor of Los Angeles, who was way ahead in the polls, 40 points ahead when they began, second place with 27 percent; Bill Jones, secretary of state, in the third place with 22 percent.
Now, what is interesting is, tracking polls taken by Simon show about the same thing. My sources in California say Simon is going to win that primary. They're laughing in the Democratic governor's office, Gray Davis' office, because they have been trashing Riordan so hard, they said, "We are picking the Republican nominee."
Well, they did that in 1976 when they picked Reagan. And you know what they got. But this would be a huge turnaround. Riordan, if you remember, was talked about going into the race by the White House. He was the White House candidate. And now he is falling fast.
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To: Torie

I wouldn't be too sure about Simon losing by a landslide.
California politics is, at bottom, about television coverage and paid media. It's also about framing the debate on your terms. Simon might be able to do this, and if he can, then Davis remains on the defensive. Simon has money to burn, so Davis has no great advantage in this regard. Davis also has the problem of his record during the CalPower crisis.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not Davis running poorly in the polls?
I would not write off a conservative in California just yet.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
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posted on
02/25/2002 6:40:46 PM PST
by
section9
To: dalereed
It's time that the conservatives in California quit being nice and take control of the party and keep it. Brooks Firestone, Rove, Parsky and thier ilk can go stuff it, the "tent" isn't big enough for them and the party won't need them if they stick to conservative principals. It doesn't have to be that way. We don't have to be nasty, let's just make it clear:
Since when did Christian conservatives mess with the gay lobby? Yeah, they're pretty nasty about abortion, but do GAYS really care about THAT? No, if gays leave our kids alone and don't make too much of a spectacle of themselves barebacking in the streets... See? It really isn't about being gay, hiring discrimination, or any of that. Guess it really does boil down to perversion and pedophilia, doesn't it Brooks?
That's where conservatives should draw the line: to make it clear to the so-called moderates that those gays who bolt the Republican Party and go to the Democrats on that distinction really DO want their kids and the Democrats really have been playing to that agenda all along. This play makes it pretty clear. And what do you think those "moderate" parents would do about that distinction in how they vote?
It isn't just about tolerance then, is it, Mr. Rove?
It is on distinctions like this one that new conservative majorities can be built, nationwide. It isn't that hard.
To: section9
Davis is ahead of Simon by a few points, but that is beside the point. I think Simon simply lacks the depth of knowledge and gravitas and experience to close the sale in the end. And under all the glitz, that counts for a fair amount in California. It is in part why Davis won the first time. And he is swimming uphill ideologically in a state that hates social conservatives. Simon will be on the defensive on that from day one, and will keep trying to shift the focus.
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posted on
02/25/2002 6:43:50 PM PST
by
Torie
To: Gophack
Michael savage is discussing the Dem. proposal to put a two dollar a bottle tax on soft drinks in Kalifornia. If the Pubbies cannot use this along with the energy mess to win back this state then they really are the stupid party.
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posted on
02/25/2002 6:45:42 PM PST
by
willyone
To: coton_lover
Who the hell is Nick Jesson? Why not just burn your vote as waste it on a unknown. If Ca. continues to drift left the effect on the rest of the country will be catastrophic. It will be the first of several newly conquered Mexican states if things are not turned around.
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posted on
02/25/2002 6:49:45 PM PST
by
willyone
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
The big question is will the liberal republicans who helped Riordan stick with the party and vote for simon? Will jones supporters show up? The republican party needs to do a lot of work and of course you always have the question of will the Bush team help Simon?
To: Cicero
Riordan, to the contrary, is a certified loser no matter how you slice it, either morally or practically. He's a walking disaster.But Riordan can play the Piano and likes to sing opera songs?! How can he not win?/sarcasm
To: Torie
Uhmm... yes. Which is what you would expect no more and no less of a man who believes winning is what counts and who cares about ideology right? Dickie Pooh forgot that a California statewide election is VERY different from running in a non-partisan municipal election. This is a whole different league from running in Los Angeles.
To: Torie;ElkGroveDan
I want to add something here to the last post that comes from personal experience having lived on the strees of Oakland as a teenager.
Bill Simon has seen it all. He worked Covenant House, a place where they pick up homeless kids turning tricks in Hollywood as chickens on the street. It's ugly. He knows. If he takes the gloves off about where the perversion in our society goes with personal accounts of this kind of monstrosity and does it on TV, people will melt. Parents will cry. Teachers will be shamed. AS THEY SHOULD BE. The social disaster that this State has become MUST stop, or the tale of human horror will be all around us. How many working grandparents are raising these kids, lost to "single moms," drug cases and death. Will they vote for a liberal, or a man who really understands.
No. No sugar coating, no gooey smiles, THIS IS ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH, innocents, the monstrous brats of transient family, and ruined teens on the streets, and we should learn to treat morality in politcs with that kind of respect.
To: ElkGroveDan
thanks for the ping.
at this point in time, we must focus on talking Simon up to all freinds, aquaintences, business partners, bosses, fellow employees and clients/customers.
Simon is the breath of fresh air california conservatives have been waiting for. Time is up, and it is now time to get out the vote!!
your neighbor from wilton
To: Libertarian_4_eva
The big question is will the liberal republicans who helped Riordan stick with the party and vote for simon? Will jones supporters show up? The republican party needs to do a lot of work and of course you always have the question of will the Bush team help Simon?
Look, you're operating from a perspective of negativism. Try a dose of positivism! For this is 1966 all over again. We have the big-spending socialist incumbent-- this time without Pat Brown's joie de vivre, solid party loyalty, stump-thumping vigor, likeability or even competence. We have the economic malaise. We have the war. We have enemies within. And we have a candidate who speaks of hope, of individualism, of limited Constitutional government and unfettered freedoms.
And we have a rotting infrastructure, power failures, a looming water shortage, broken roads and a Governor who has declared that California has built its last freeway. We have failing schools, "Cootie Shots", and Islamic jihad lessons. We have record taxation and plummeting competitiveness. We have gone from surplus to bankruptcy in three years of Gray Davis. This is not a record the Democrats can run from.
On our side, we have a photogenic, likeable, accomplished candidate from the real world who is not just thundering against the decadence and immorality of society, he's doing something about it (PAX TV). He's a maker of jobs. He's a well-connected leader: a doer, not a talker, and not a politician-- a huge strength. He's a dedicated family man and "normal" almost to a fault; he's funny and quick and warm and disarming. Meanwhile the incumbent is a wierd Queeg-like dude with no personality and a propensity for popping out appalling Orwellian bon mots like "Singapore's police are a model for California" and "The purpose of the legislature is to implement my vision."
Reason for positivism indeed!
On the Republican side, we have three major candidates to choose from to run against the incompetent socialist currently inhabiting the Capitol's highest office. One is a competent socialist-- and it's arguable whether that would be an improvement over Davis. One is a longtime legislator whose generally positive record is marred by votes for higher taxes, occasional disloyalty, and an emerging mean streak. And then there's Bill Simon.
The choice could not be more clear... or more exciting for the liberty-minded, which I judge from your screen name is descriptive of you.
Carpe diem! Bill Simon is a mainstream candidate you can support wholeheartedly. I've never been so jazzed about an election... Join the grassroots effort to get out the vote!
To: Torie
Agree. If either Simon or Jones win the primaries, Davis will be reelected.
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posted on
02/25/2002 7:17:20 PM PST
by
marajade
To: willyone
Who the hell is Nick Jesson?
A pastel-suit wearing oddball. Next.
To: Torie
sniveling opportunist on an issue of fundamental conscience ... :-|
sounds like most of Congress to me
Go Simon ... and Im an indie ...
One thing IS for sure ....GraYouT DeViouS must Go...
To: marajade
If either Simon or Jones win the primaries, Davis will be reelected.
And Reagan couldn't possibly beat Carter.
Boy are you in for a surprise.
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Even Republicans in CA are borderline Democrats. I think no matter who wins the primary in CA it will split the Republican party in CA and that is a sad day for the party in CA.
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posted on
02/25/2002 7:21:09 PM PST
by
marajade
To: Fresh Wind
Destined to be cut loose to drift by the Republican establishment. Bush refused to help out Bret. He will probably do as much for Simon, who will surely lose to Grayout Davis. Business as usual for the suicidal Republican party. Yup,if you ain't a insider that they know they can trust to do "insider bidnez" with,they have no use for you. I'm sure the same thing will happen in NC if one of her opponets manages to beat Giddy Dolt in the Senate primary.
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
With a long, hot summer between now and November that will driver voters from Davis with every flicker of the lights, the primary is a much tougher test than the general election will be. Oh, you are SO RIGHT! Pray, people...we need this man in our state.
To: ElkGroveDan
It depends on the turnout of registered independents and Democrats in the GOP primary, which they can still do provided all their ballots are cast in the GOP primary. 90%+ of those will be for Riordan. And those aren't showing up in the polls for a simple reason - this will be the first election in almost 50 years in which that is possible.
Riordan's big mouth has always been his worst enemy.
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posted on
02/25/2002 7:24:44 PM PST
by
Thud
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