Posted on 03/01/2002 6:04:09 AM PST by blam
I'm afraid you've committed the fallacy of reductio absurdum, by reducing the argument into a cascading series of absurd effects or consequences.
Not to mention you've taken my argument out of context and all in the name of conservatism. You man not like it but the founders did indeed leave the Constitution vague in parts. It was brilliant of them, using checks and balances teeter back and forth so no MAN with radical or fringe beliefs (LOL) could get the better.
Back on topic...the Constitution does not bar or deem that a COG is unconstitutional in any way. They have in fact existed unattacked since at least the Cold War.
Thank God we got President Bush in - could you imagine if Bozo Bore got in???
Better have enough ammo to get you to the "remains of the gunshop" if we get hit, because those sleaze's wont be far behind in trying to take America.
Okay, I've got my morning coffee, but I cannot tarry here long. It's coffee and out the door to do the Saturday thing for me. Given those constraints, I'm going to cut right to the chase about the constitutionality of the issue.
It is quite true that this issue of a "shadow government" is not new at all. And yes, I agree that the term is inherently evil sounding, no doubt intentionally made so by the media, so we will refer to it as some others have as a continuation of government plan. Continuation of government plans have indeed been with us since the very early cold war days. The Truman administration is the narrowest focus of when these plans originated. And, just like I believe you, and some others have said, they were originated due to an actual or percieved nuclear or other threat to the United States. No argument there.
The question of constitutionality arises when we turn to the subject of how these plans came into existence. These plans, which are laws, which as we know, are subject to gauging as to their constitutionality, were created through the use of executive order. Therein lies the rub my friend. Executive order was use to create these laws. The earliest instance that I am aware of where executive order, or more properly, executive power was exercised, was in the Andrew Jackson administration, against the Cherokee to force them from their lands. The Cherokee fought this use of executive powers in the Supreme Court and won. President Jackson defied the courts order, and dared the court to try to enforce its ruling. The Cherokee indeed were forced from their land, and this led to what is called the "Trail of Tears."
I digress somewhat, but I feel that is an important example of how executive power, or order, is unconstitutional. There is no power whatsoever granted in the Constitution that allows executive order to be exercised by the President. None. It simply is not there. Jackson invented it, the Supreme Court said it's illegal, but Jackson defied them and set the unconstituional precident that we have to this day!
Okay, back to continuity of government plans. Originated through executive order. The actual first order is debatable, but it looks to me as though #10269 is about where the ball first starts rolling. #10269, when read, doesn't seem to have much to do at all with a continuity of government plan. But, as far as my limited research goes, it's the root of the tree, or at least one of the roots. It's not until #11051 that the train has really got a full head of steam, and is rolling along real nicely. And that train is still rolling today. That first root order has been amended, morphed into other orders, new orders created in conjunction with, etc, etc. Do some research into these executive orders and you can see for yourself.
Continuity of government plans had their birth through executive order. That is an illegitimate birth. To quote probably it's biggest fan, "Stroke of the pen, law of the land."
The evidence is executive order. Have a good weekend my friend.
However, I could point quickly point to the establishment and non critique by the SC. as acceptance of such. I'm interested in looking into any SC rulings on it.
But, like I said, this is MHO.
For an example of the sort of training you'll receive, to include that relating to Continuity of Government, *check the following courses available for Nebraska hams. See the second from the top, G250.1 - WEM: Continuity of Government, in particular.
73 de archy-/-
But, like I said, this is MHO.
You seem to have trouble taking yes for an answer.
As for ammunition, I have enough, though I haven't yet availed myself of any bulk purchases in cans (my long-gun caliber is 7.62x54R, common as cockroaches worldwide). But I don't think the Shrub would pull something like that. The thought of the Gorebot running this show makes my blood run cold, though -- ugh!
I say that about Dubya, but let's keep in mind that he's a club member in good standing with the Yacht Club Wing of the GOP, and that political demographers (I can point you to the Newsweek story a few years ago, or you can find the survey data it was based on, on the site of the liberal Pew Trust's media agitprop group:
There is also a current article on the site detailing the defection of rural Democrats from the national DemonRat/liberal campaign for gun bans that you might find interesting. Damn those country people......just aren't tuned in to the Blue/Gorebot/slavemaster agenda. Must be all that clean air they're breathing; they think they're actually people!
Uhyuh....
Businessmen tend to treat their employees badly, demanding they work harder and longer hours for less money, creating bell-curves and force ranks to pit them against one another, and so on; and so it's understandable that they would prefer to do more of this in a social environment that didn't include private ownership of firearms. Other than their own, of course. Hence the emphasis, put forward by gun-grabbers seeking consensus, on characterizing and demonizing inexpensive pistols. I could see Dubya turning around and going with the grabbers on small pistols.
New York -- In October, an intelligence alert went out to a small number of government agencies, including the Energy Department's top-secret Nuclear Emergency Search Team, based in Nevada. The report said that terrorists were thought to have obtained a 10-kiloton nuclear weapon from the Russian arsenal, and planned to smuggle it into New York City, a special TIME magazine investigation reveals.
Publishing sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT, the next cover story of TIME will headline: "Can We Stop the Next 9/11?"
The report hits newsstands Monday, March 4th. MORE
The source: a mercurial agent code-named DRAGONFIRE, who intelligence officials believed was of "undetermined" reliability, TIME reports. But DRAGONFIRE'S claim tracked with a report from a Russian general who believed his forces were missing a 10-kiloton device.
That made the DRAGONFIRE report alarming. So did this: detonated in lower Manhattan, a 10-kiloton bomb would kill some 100,000 civilians and irradiate 700,000 more, flattening everything in a half-mile diameter.
Counterterrorist investigators went on their highest state of alert, TIME reports. "It was brutal," a U.S. official told TIME.
It was also highly classified and closely guarded. MORE
Under the aegis of the White House’s Counterterrorism Security Group, part of the National Security Council, the suspected nuke was kept secret so as not to panic the people of New York. Senior FBI officials were not in the loop. Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani says he was never told about the threat. In the end, the investigators found nothing, and concluded that DRAGONFIRE'S information was false. But few of them slept better.
Counterterrorism experts and government officials interviewed by TIME say that for all the relative calm since Sept. 11, America’s luck will probably run out again, sooner or later. "It's going to be worse, and a lot of people are going to die," warns one U.S. counterterrorism official. "I don't think there's a damn thing we're going to be able to do about it."
The DRUDGE REPORT has been briefed on other revelations coming from TIME's investigation:
The Coast Guard is arming itself against a possible terrorist attempt to destroy a major U.S. coastal city by detonating a tanker loaded with liquified natural gas.
The Administration has recalled old CIA hands with experience in Central Asia. Says an Administration official: "You ended up going back to retirees because the bench was so light on Afghanistan. We’re still trying to get up to speed."
This week, Tom Ridge’s office plans to announce a new color-coded alert system to warn local law enforcement and the public about threats within U.S. borders, sources tell TIME.
While there is a genuine debate inside the government about whether Osama bin Laden is still alive, there is far less argument about what will happen after Washington is able to confirm that he is dead. A U.S. official told TIME last week that it is widely presumed that al-Qaeda sleeper cells will take retaliatory action once the terrorist leader is killed or proven dead.
"We're as vulnerable today as we were on 9/10 or 9/12," says presidential counselor Karen Hughes. "We just know more."
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