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1 posted on 03/04/2002 2:19:12 PM PST by Dementon
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To: Dementon
The NRST flying monkeys are going to plaster this thread with more devious lies than even Dershowitz can dream up.
2 posted on 03/04/2002 2:25:15 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Taxreform
Bump
4 posted on 03/04/2002 2:51:16 PM PST by Dementon
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To: Dementon
Here are the closing remarks from the hearing.
5 posted on 03/04/2002 3:02:11 PM PST by Dementon
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I'll bump to that!
6 posted on 03/04/2002 3:26:01 PM PST by lds23
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To: Dementon
The Tea Party is coming to America!Dude!we got a Tea Party!And it's for REAL!And it ain't a freekin DELL!
8 posted on 03/04/2002 6:02:05 PM PST by taxtruth
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We would do well to remember those occasions in modern history when democratically elected governments have violated their citizen’s most basic rights to life, liberty and property because a MAJORITY of the population found it acceptable. In America, there are only two things that stand between the people and government tyranny---those are our Constitution and our will as a free people to protect and defend it.

All ringing with fervor but lacking in one little detail, precisely what do these folks really intend to do about it. For the reality is, most people do not pay income taxes and in many cases actually receive what appears to be a handouts, via the personal exemption, allowed deductions and EITC of the individual income tax. To make changes, you had better factor in reaching those folks.

Right now the bottom 60% tax filers perceive little to no "Individual Income Tax" burden,(in many cases even a handout) and 70% of voters continue to clamor for more from government looking for the top 40% to pay. That perception continues to grow ever stronger by eliminating even more participants from the Individual Income Tax rolls as proposed in the current tax reduction proposals currently on board through changes in personal exemption limits and other mechanisms such as the EITC.

Remember:

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-George Bernard Shaw

Alan Keyes refers to the income tax as the slave tax that should be abolished as a moral imperative, and replaced with a National Sales Tax:

Keyes on Taxes & Government Spending:

Alan Keyes Interview with Des Moines Register:

The intent of the structure of the individual income tax is for political and social control not revenue collection. The Individual Income tax is maintained to establish and hold every person in the country perpetual legal jeopardy.

Considering those factors, it is always good to remember the philosophical roots of the left which can be found here: Manifesto of the Communist Party, by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, published in 1848. Among their recommendations are these:

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state ... . Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property ... . These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

That is a situation that must end with the repeal of the income tax from the statutes, and the prohibition of its use by Constitutional amendment that future generations will not face the same manner of manipulation and interference in their lives.

But that will not come about by mere words, or saying no more taxes. The alternative to no more taxes is merely government cranks up the printing presses, or increase the tax burden out of sight through the corporate VATs that are in place. Neither is an answer to the problem of Too Much Government, and Too many voters perceiving freebees.

The Crisis of Democracy

The Honorable James DeMint (R-SC)
United States House of Representatives

THURSDAY, APRIL 5, 2001
12:00 noon

"In 1996, Congress passed a historic welfare reform law that has dramatically reduced the number of Americans who depend on welfare. In spite of this positive development, Representative DeMint is concerned about the steady growth of a welfare/entitlement state that extends well beyond the poor and is forcing millions of middle income Americans into dependency.

There has been a shift in the relationship between individuals and government, he argues, such that fewer and fewer are paying taxes at the same time that more and more are receiving increasingly generous benefits. If it becomes the case that most voters do not bear a financial burden for this largess, then there will be little to restrain--and significant political incentives to encourage--the continued growth of government. And at that point, DeMint warns, we have reached a major crisis in our democracy."

To remove taxation of the individual, is to remove the goad which assures accountability of government to the electorate. Federal taxes are high because a majority of the electorate do not share proportionately in the burden their demand for largesse imposes on the minority of citizens.

The call for representation without taxation is the formula that got us where we are at today. The ability to hide or disguise taxation from the view of large sectors of the electorate allows the Congress to get away with the creation of the evergrowing monster that it fosters.

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-George Bernard Shaw

Liberty and freedom have a price, responsibility. If that price is avoided there are no brakes on the growth of government, the ultimate result is the end of freedom through creeping socialism.

9 posted on 03/04/2002 6:32:53 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: Dementon
Bump for later
63 posted on 03/06/2002 3:59:55 PM PST by CyberCowboy777
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