[mlo]

Saying some of them don't understand science isn't name calling. It's a fact, and relevant to the discussion.

[Exnihilo]

And likewise, many if not most of the proponents of naturalism, at least around these parts, don't understand what science means. If they did, they wouldn't suggest that naturalism is a fact. Most learned people recognize that naturalism is the presupposition upon which science is built, and that science cannot prove what it presupposes. Therefore, that evolution is natural or un-natural is beyond the realm of science. In conclusion, atheists and their ilk, who try to push "science" and "evolution" as supporting their atheism, and negating or casting doubt on their opposition, is patently absurd. Of course getting them to admit as much isn't bloody likely.