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To: sobieski
This is a problem of the "lavender mafia" taking over the seminaries.

I'd really like to see the statistics of how many of these priests were ordained since 1965.

Geoghan of Boston, Porter of Boston, the bishop O'Connell, were all ordained before Vatican II.

Optional celibacy would, at the very least, rid the priesthood of a reputation as a "gay profession."

16 posted on 03/16/2002 3:37:55 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Optional celibacy would, at the very least, rid the priesthood of a reputation as a "gay profession."

Immediate expulsion of all fag priests would definately rid the priesthood of that reputation. Dominicans should conduct the investigations.

28 posted on 03/16/2002 5:30:46 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: sinkspur
"I'd really like to see the statistics of how many of these priests were ordained since 1965.

You can be sure, sinkspur, that someone in Rome has those statistics...

46 posted on 03/16/2002 6:56:26 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: sinkspur
Sorry, sinkspur, it won't work.

Having spent much time among the Orthodox (where priests are allowed to marry), I can tell you that marriage is not the thing that is going to stop homosexuality from taking over seminaries and the religious life. Orthodox seminaries in the '70s were plagued by it; the Dean of St. Vlad's had to tell the school that he was not going to be Dean of a seminary full of "pot-smoking homosexuals," and then he had to go and clean house.

I had a friend who was in an Orthodox seminary at the time, and he said that he didn't even want to take showers any more, because the homosexual mafia used to lurk in the shower room. Of course, they were all engaged to be married. They usually managed to get married before ordination, generally to the desperate young women who went to seminary, in theory to study "religous education," but actually to snag a priest for a husband. (Why they'd have wanted one, I don't know.)

The Orthodox Church had many scandals with (married) homosexual clergy, and the Anglicans have had similar problems.

I don't think marriage is the solution. Anybody can pretend long enough to get married. The solution is simply to be very firm on this, don't accept candidates in seminary if there's any suspicion that they're homosexuals, and dump them immediately if anything emerges later on.

Navarro Valls (Pope's spokesman) suggested finding a way to "annul" ordination, and I think this is probably the way to go.

That said, I also wish to challenge the description of Law as "Vatican loyalist." He never has been and he never will be. He's just sneaky, and about as addicted to weasel words as Bill Clinton. He probably wrote the Pilot editorial himself.

50 posted on 03/16/2002 7:10:26 PM PST by livius
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