Shoot-out ends in death of cop,suspect

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | BY FRANK MAIN, FRAN SPIELMAN AND ANDREW HERRMANN STAFF REPORTERS

[Tennessee_Bob]

Must be rough living in constant fear...or always on the lookout for a reason to get in a fight. How do you manage to sleep at night??

[xm177e2]

BULL! A private property owner has EVERY right to do that! There is absolutely NO SUCH THING as a RIGHT to high property values.

If you hurt my property values, you're taking something from me.

[southern rock]

then the community has a right

Communities don't have rights, people do.

[Melinator]

I assumed you are a LEO, when you referred to the old man as a "civilian" in your first post. If you are not, then the comment doesn't apply to you.

So which is it?

[Eagle Eye]

Must be rough living in constant fear...or always on the lookout for a reason to get in a fight. How do you manage to sleep at night??

I could ask how it is living in subservience, but you are blessed with blissful ignorance and wouldn't realize the point of my queston, so I won't.

[Melinator]

It must be tough typing with your head stuck so far up your own rectum. How do you manage it?

[southern rock]

Yep. ALL persons in government positions, elected or appointed and regardless of official capacity, are public servents and are subserviant to each and every non-governmental individual. Way it is.

[ironman]

"(based upon the inspectors reports they were clearly trespassing upon his property without a valid search warrant)"

I do not see how you can conclude this from the information in the story.

[ironman]

"If the government can give visas to two terrorists 6 months after they died"

Didn't happen. The flight school got notifications not the dead terrorists getting approval.

[ironman]

"So letting one's own place go to sh*t should be a jailable offense?"

In Virginia you can go to jail if you don't plant your trees in the right place.

[BlackbirdSST]

Mr. Wolk's bullet may have found its mark first, but he didn't initiate the violence. I get the impression it was entirely premeditated. The boy's in blue, or in this case probably seer sucker, expected this to be a hard night and came with sledge hammer in hand. If Mr. Wolk had only been in possession of a 12Ga., he'd be around to defend himself. Blackbird.

[Tennessee_Bob]

You're bright - figure it out for yourself.

[Tennessee_Bob]

LOL! Good come back, Mel. I'm impressed! Well, no, not really. I was wondering when it would come to that.

[Crusader21stCentury]

Here is a quote for you that a fellow FReeper supplied a while back that I believe is very appropriate.

John Locke: "The great chief end therefore, of Mens uniting into Commonwealths, and putting themselves under Government, is the Preservation of their Property." He also said, "Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience..." --2nd Treatise of Government, 1690 the principal absolute rights which appertain to every Englishman,"

[Conservababe]

In that case, your actions on your property obviously can affect my property rights, in the sense that they affect my ability to dispose of it as I will. IOW, your property rights and mine are not independent.

Seems to me that you are only interested in the "disposal value of your property" and nothing else in your so-called community spirit. LOL

[FSPress]

Good on him, always make sure that you take one with you if you can.

[Mr_Magoo]

Getting back to the article posted. I have big problems with code violations as a reason for dynamic entry. I have an even bigger problem with code violations leading to a death sentence, without even the benefit of a trial first.

Dynamic entry should only be allowed if there is an immediate threat to life of innocent people. No other reason. None. This was not the case. All LEO’s involved should be fired, today.

BTW, This event could not have happened. Mr. Wolk could not have shot anyone with those .22 handguns. Handguns are not allowed in Chicago.

[Conservababe]

The peace" is a community interest. If my activities on my private property "disturb the peace," then the community has a right to curtail my activities.

Your repeated references to "community interest" is getting on my nerves, really.

My mother retired to a "community" called Butte LaRose, La. upon retirement. She purchased a log house sitting right on the bayou, for a moderate amount of money. Next to her property was a run down camp trailer. Across the narrow bayou was a $500,000 home.

These people of the "community" had gotten together to establish a water district and a volunteer fire department...as was their right to do so. They had monthly "community" meetings to discuss problems. Mostly the problems had to do with the feds dredging the bayou and killing the fish or voting on the Mardi Gras King and Queen.

People who lived there knew and recognized property rights. You would have to be there to know...no one complained about the traffic of the three wheelers on the weekends because they had roosters crowing at daylight. LOL

Anyway, we had no problem selling my Mom's property after her death...at a nice sum...because property values...are sometimes ...in the heart and soul...or a real "community".

[RedBloodedAmerican]

I'm glad the civilian managed to take that good, honest, upstanding peace officer to hell with him

A cop-killer on FR? or someone who just encourages it? Just throw him in with the PETA people who advocate violence as an end to their means?

[Howlin]

Good grief!