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Davis to Simon: "Drop out."

Simon to Davis: "Nuts!"


1 posted on 10/10/2002 4:27:47 AM PDT by RonDog
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For the more traditional left-wing "Simon can do no right" spin on this story, which seems to be very POPULAR on this forum lately, see San Jose Mercury News:
Posted on Thu, Oct. 10, 2002 story:PUB_DESC
ANALYSIS
Simon's latest stumble might be fatal blow to GOP hopeful's campaign

Mercury News Sacramento Bureau
It was supposed to be the ``October Surprise'' that would knock Gov. Gray Davis off his game and give Republican Bill Simon the last-minute momentum he needed to oust the Democratic incumbent.

Instead, it has turned into a devastating debacle that may have sealed the Los Angeles investor's political doom.

In an extraordinary gamble that quickly went awry, Simon charged that Davis had illegally accepted a campaign contribution in the state Capitol. That single now-discredited allegation turned what had been Simon's greatest asset -- his theme that Davis has repeatedly sold out to please campaign contributors -- into the GOP candidate's biggest liability.

The controversy gave Simon the widespread television exposure that he has been unable to get by making news or buying ads -- but it was hardly the coverage he wanted. Four weeks before the election, the incident called into question the credibility of a candidate whose campaign has been plagued with stumbles.

``I don't think one can overstate the damage that's been done by this,'' said Republican political analyst Allan Hoffenblum. ``I think this totally destroys Simon's ability to convince voters that he's a credible alternative to the incumbent.''

For months, Simon has tried to galvanize opposition to Davis by attacking the governor's aggressive fundraising tactics. And he thought he had found the silver bullet when a public safety group told his campaign that they had photographs showing Davis breaking the law in 1998 by accepting a $10,000 check in his state Capitol office.

The photos for the first time gave television reporters the visual evidence they needed to illustrate Simon's main campaign theme. But the photos that aired prominently across California this week ended up illuminating Simon's blunder rather than the governor's wrongdoing.

In 24 hours, Simon's ploy undermined months of relentless assaults on the governor's ethics by trumpeting a baseless charge that Davis had broken the law.

Simon has stumbled numerous times since winning the GOP nomination in March, but many California political analysts viewed the latest Simon misstep as fatal.

``The Simon campaign was sort of dead anyway, but now it's basically a corpse kicking itself,'' said Bruce Cain, a political scientist at the University of California-Berkeley.

With the group that made the claim -- the California Organization of Police and Sheriffs -- retracting its allegations late Wednesday, GOP strategists urged Simon to admit his mistake and try to move on.

``The first thing Simon should do is apologize,'' said Dan Schnur, a political consultant who worked for former GOP Gov. Pete Wilson. ``That shows that he's willing to take responsibility for a mistake. The second thing he should do is fire someone.''

Despite Simon's attempts to blame COPS and distance himself from the controversy, his campaign had planned to use the charge as its ace in the hole.

Republican sources said the Simon campaign had heard about the COPS photographs three or four months ago and had been told by the group last week that they were preparing to make their allegations public.

After weighing the options, Simon agreed to set a trap for Davis on Monday afternoon in the first and only scheduled debate.

``Mr. Davis,'' Simon asked the governor, ``it is illegal to accept campaign contributions in state government office buildings. In your career, have you ever accepted a campaign contribution in the state Capitol or in any of your government offices? Please answer this question yes or no.''

Davis said he has always ``conducted himself within the law,'' and later told reporters he had no memory of ever taking such a donation.

Simon strategists hoped to lure Davis into a lie and then come forward the following day with the damning COPS photos.

But the strategy fell apart right after the debate. Reporters pressed Simon about whether he had hard evidence that Davis had broken the law, as he had implied in the live televised debate.

At first, Simon balked and told reporters to ``stay tuned.'' When reporters persisted, Simon strategist Ed Rollins caught the candidate's attention and gave him the green light to say that he did have evidence.

That sparked an angry demand from reporters for Simon to prove his explosive allegation.

In yet another example of the disarray in the campaign, high-level Simon strategists complained that they had been denied the chance to check out the photos and had to rely on assurances from COPS. Several Simon advisers said they weren't shown the photos until COPS held its news conference on Tuesday.

``A campaign that was doing well would have had a difficult time recovering from such a fiasco,'' said Hoffenblum. ``For one that's already on the ropes, this may well have been the fatal blow.''


Mercury News Staff Writer Mark Gladstone contributed to this report. Contact Dion Nissenbaum at dnissenbaum@sjmercury.com or (916) 441-4603.

2 posted on 10/10/2002 4:35:50 AM PDT by RonDog
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YES!!!

Davis to Simon: "Drop out."
Simon to Davis: "Nuts!"

From www.military.com:

Gen. Anthony McAuliffe
Asked to Surrender at Bastogne, Surrounded Commander Said "Nuts"

Military.com Image
McAuliffe receives the D.S.C. from General George S. Patton
in late December of 1944 at Bastogne.
(U.S. Army photo)
Gen. Anthony Clement McAuliffe is best remembered for uttering a single word -- no mean feat, considering that even the shortest Bible verse has two. Commanding the U.S. Army’s beleaguered and surrounded 101st Airborne Division during World War II’s Battle of the Bulge, McAuliffe received a German surrender ultimatum. "Nuts!" he replied, and became a lasting symbol of American courage and determination under fire.

A 1918 West Point graduate, McAuliffe held various field artillery positions before World War II. On the eve of D-Day, McAuliffe jumped with the first wave as a commander of division artillery, although he had never received formal parachute training.

In December 1944, during the siege of Bastogne, Belgium, McAuliffe was acting commander of the 101st in Gen. Maxwell D. Taylor’s absence. The Americans had been holding the Belgian town "at all costs," and on Dec. 22, Gen. McAuliffe received the encouraging news that the 4th Armored Division was beginning its drive north to relieve the 101st. Later that morning, members of the division’s glider regiment saw four Germans coming up the road carrying a white flag. Everyone hoped they were offering surrender. Instead, they presented two pages demanding the Americans’ surrender: "To the USA Commander of the encircled town of Bastogne. . .There is only one possibility. . .the honorable surrender of the encircled town."

McAuliffe glanced at the message and said, "Aw, nuts!" When he told his commanders he didn’t know what answer to send, Lt. Col. Harry Kinnard said ‘That first crack you made would be hard to beat, General." Everyone laughed as a sergeant typed up the succinct response: "To the German Commander: Nuts! The American Commander."

Between this stoic reply, Patton’s troops from the south, and a change in the weather that allowed air reinforcement the following day, the 101st was able to hold Bastogne. Their victory resulted in the first full-Division Presidential Distinguished Unit Citation.

McAuliffe’s actions at Bastogne helped assure the final defeat of the Germans. Gen. McAuliffe continued to serve on active duty, including assignments as Head of the Army Chemical Corps, Commander, 7th Army, and Commander-In-Chief of the U.S. Army, Europe, until his 1956 retirement. He died in Washington, D.C. in 1975 and is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

5 posted on 10/10/2002 5:03:11 AM PDT by RonDog
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Davis called on Simon to withdraw from the race. "As a former prosecutor, he should certainly be embarrassed, and if he had any sense of honor, he would drop out of the race,"

He didn't say that about Gary Con-did-it, now did he?

7 posted on 10/10/2002 5:13:35 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: AnnaZ; Mercuria; feinswinesuksass; DoughtyOne; Cinnamon Girl; Tony in Hawaii; Bob J; diotima; ...
"The Simon move amazed analysts and left Davis campaign spokesman Garry South dumbfounded..."
PING!
8 posted on 10/10/2002 5:40:08 AM PDT by RonDog
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"The American public is very forgiving when they are directly apologized to," she said. "I can't imagine anyone would listen to new charges until the air is cleared on this allegation." Jack Pitney, government professor at Claremont McKenna College, said that Simon's situation "has crossed the line from bad to bizarre."

Where was all this "righteous indignation" when Gray Out called Simon a criminal as a result of the unfounded verdict against Simon's company? The verdict was later thrown out, but did Davis apologize or drop out of the race? Of course not.

Hold your ground, Simon. That's the only way to stand up to bullies.

10 posted on 10/10/2002 6:20:49 AM PDT by randita
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Lesson in biased reporting.

As written: As Bill Simon's allegations of illegal fund raising crumbled, the Republican candidate acknowledged late Wednesday that his charges against Gov. Gray Davis were unfounded

If written more objectively: As the evidence for one of many allegations of illegal fund raising by Gov. Gray Davis crumbled, the Republican candidate acknowledged late Wednesday that his charges against Gov. Gray Davis were based on a source that let him down

Quiz next Wednesday.

Dan

14 posted on 10/10/2002 6:45:40 AM PDT by BibChr
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The house, with an abstract painting by artist David Amico, belonged in 1998 to Bruce Karatz, chairman and CEO of KB Home. The company was then called Kaufman and Broad.

In the photos, "the door behind Gray leads into his (Karatz') den," said company vice president Larry Gotlieb. "(Karatz) recognized the door that leads into his den and he recognized the Amico painting."

Karatz has since sold the 8,451-square-foot house. But Gotlieb said Karatz still owns the distinctive painting that is shown in the photos.

Gotlieb said Karatz hosted a campaign meeting on the morning of Jan. 31, 1998, the day the photos were taken. Gotlieb said he also attended the meeting.

I know this sounds silly, but I still think these guys are lying.

Looking at that picture, there is no way that's in someone's house. That's a heavy-duty door, the type of which is typically only found in public buildings. I'm just not buying that explanation.

16 posted on 10/10/2002 6:57:58 AM PDT by B Knotts
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These "news" reports - all of them - read like press releases straight from Davis campaign HQ. Fair & balanced my arse.
21 posted on 10/10/2002 7:02:02 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: RonDog
Deliberate double-cross by COPS?
23 posted on 10/10/2002 7:07:09 AM PDT by Sloth
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Meamwhile this gemious Simon goes on the attack on Davis and manages to gaff himself into a ton of negative press.

With brains like that, who needs enemies.
25 posted on 10/10/2002 7:09:52 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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Simon should get down in the trecnhes with Davis and slug it out. Davis strikes me as a lightweight with a powerful machine and a partisan press for backup. Simon needs to keep it personal and make Davis respond directly. Davis is so obviously sordid and sleazy on a personal level that Simon needs to directly confront him whenever possible. More debates are neccessary. Let the people watch Davis squirm as he responds to these allegations and attempts to deny them in person. Right now he's being shielded by cronies. There's got to be a way to draw him out and make him trip himself up publically.

Best of luck to our fellow conservatives and FReepers in California. I hope you folks can get out from under the corrupt socialist government that's ruining your state.

27 posted on 10/10/2002 7:21:27 AM PDT by IoCaster
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But Simon did not apologize to the governor. He said he had "a good-faith basis" for believing the false accusation he made public Monday.

Hmmm? Davi$ operates on the same "principle" , ie, a good-faith basis, it's called Give me some money and I'll take care of it.

You dolts (including Davi$ disruptors on FR,Riordan and Ahnold and Jones supporters) out there are playing into the media's hands. They don;t dig into the corruption of Davi$ , they report some stuff and then move on.

We, the People, get what we deserve, my butt. We deserve a campaign run on issues. 4 months of attack ads is NOT the way to bring people together for a common good.

But when has the common good been in Davi$ or his cohorts interests ;-?




GO SIMON

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Tom McClintock for CA State Controller



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DUMP DAVI$ .. MoVe the Manure out of the Capitol in Sacramento


29 posted on 10/10/2002 7:29:21 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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"If you're going to make an accusation against somebody, you check out the underlying facts thoroughly," said Jim Shore, a Santa Clara County deputy district attorney and president of the California Prosecutors Association, which claims about 4,000 members."

Is this a new policy for the Dems? They've never done this before.

32 posted on 10/10/2002 7:32:09 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RonDog; Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; kellynla
FWIW...Dick Morris just said on KRLA that if the poll numbers on Election Day are still at Davis-45 Simon-35 that Simon would win. He said that Davis is in serious trouble & any incumbent is in serious trouble if their numbers are under 50.
38 posted on 10/10/2002 8:01:22 AM PDT by gubamyster
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Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr Howard...
41 posted on 10/10/2002 8:20:10 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Gary "Wormtongue" South is an evil and vile man, working for an evil and vile man. Instead of nitpicking about where the picture of Davis receiving the COPS check was taken, the media should have hounded Gray Davis from office years ago. But, apparently, the media is as corrupt as Davis.
50 posted on 10/10/2002 8:31:08 AM PDT by My2Cents
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FWIW, both Bill Handel of KFI-AM, and the morning crew on KABC-AM are mocking Simon over this. And Bill Handel is "a registered independent who's voted Republican in the last several elections." He's also a Riordan/Bush supporter.

The Simon and Davis supporters will stick to their men. The question is, how will moderate/independent voters react to this. Not well for Simon, I suspect.

53 posted on 10/10/2002 8:42:01 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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Simon to Davis: "Nuts!"

That's exactly what folks here thought Chief Pennington was when he did much the same thing -- and totally wrecked his campaign in the process -- regarding some Breaking News announcement of malfeasance on the part of now-Mayor Nagin.

56 posted on 10/10/2002 8:52:40 AM PDT by Askel5
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Simon should have let Karl Rove take over the campaign. His people are driving me nuts.
59 posted on 10/10/2002 8:56:34 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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Have you found any high resolution scans of the Davis-COPS photo? I've located a possible address and posted it on the website. If there is a Freeper with a dig camera and who lives in the area, they can photo the surroundings.

But, we need a high resolution scan of the view over Lt. Gov. Davis' right shoulder. You can see over his shoulder and into an area with vegetation. If that area is a golf course on the high resolution scan, it would be consistent with the story that Mr. Karatz has stated. If it isn't, then Karatz' story is an incorrect recollection and the photo was taken somewhere else.
67 posted on 10/10/2002 10:00:46 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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