Steering children back to straight

The Washington Times ^ | December 12, 2002 | Josh Earl

[FormerLib]

Wait a second... where are all the "thousands and thousands" of people that were "helped" by the "ex-gay" industry? Why so few names? Hmmm?

Duh! Maybe you're never heard of confidentiality agreements? People are under no obligation to discuss their therapy with anyone. Considering the virulence of the homosexual community towards these recovered individuals, it's no wonder they would prefer to maintain the anonymity.

Well, another study was presented at the same conference. Although roughly similar to Spitzer's (interview by telephone), this study was more valid because it used more people, used a random sample of folks that had gone through the "ex-gay therapy" mill, and followup interviews were conducted. Out of 247 people, only eighteen said that they had experienced any "change" (typically celibacy), and only SIX said that they had been entirely successful at becoming "ex-gay."

LOL! You can't be serious!!!

Yeah, and how many of those 241 turd-burglars would have said anything to defame the ex-gay movement. The smart money says 100%.

It's sort of like that "study" where supposedly non-homosexual men were shown homo-pron and monitored for sexual stimulation. Allegedly, those with the strongest anti-homo sentiments had the strongest reactions. Yeah, right! They were a bunch of deviants who were out to make a point. Someone who commits anonymous sodomy can't be trusted to be truthful, face it.

As the evidence of the successes of the ex-gay movement continue to mount, you folks are going to become more desperate and shrill in you attempts to deny THE TRUTH! And you will fail.

[Always Right]

No, that's the scientific/medical definition. Now, have you ever heard of a polygraph? You know... a lie detector? The technology to measure sexual attraction exists.

That's pretty special. Young men can get sexually arosed by the wind blowing, so if they show any sexual energy around a male they get labled 'gay'. Its just wonderful that they have such an inclusive definition.

The overwhelming majority of gay people identify themselves by who they are, NOT by what they do.

Sorry, people are defined by what they do. A person that murders someone is a murderer, a person who once thought about killing some one is not a murderer. Gay activist are as dishonest as the abortionists, globabl warmers, and Bill Clinton.

[FormerLib]

Sorry, but the MAJOR FLAW that you trumpet can be applied to all types of therapy.

By the way, ever the check the success rate of inpatient detox? The ex-gay movement has their numbers beat!

By the way, I know 2 ex-gays. They've been cured, healthy, and happy for over 20 years. One just celebrated the birth of his third child.

Rant all you want. I see the proof every week!

[MadIvan]

Hey, millions of schizophrenics may be happy as well, but they are still sick people in need of help.

Your comment reminded me of a bit from a Monty Python sketch:

The Piranha Brothers

Criminologist: (Graham) It's easy for us to judge Dinsdale Piranha too harshly. After all, he only did what most of us simply dream of doing... (tic...controls himself) I'm sorry. After all a murderer is only an extroverted suicide. Dinsdale was a loony, but he was a happy loony. Lucky bastard.

Regards, Ivan

[Always Right]

Congratulations... you just proclaimed that the Boy Scouts of America is an unfairly discriminatory organization.

Not at all. Boy Scouts discriminate against behaviors which they believe are inappropriate.

Yikes... good strawmen... you really got me there.

I actually did, thanks. Behavior defines people, not feelings.

[FormerLib]

Boy Scouts discriminate against behaviors which they believe are inappropriate.

Allowing homosexual men to take little boys into the woods seems like the ultimate example of something that deserves to be discriminated right out of existence! The Boy Scouts are right! What the homosexuals have done to the Roman Catholic Church vindicates them completely!

[flyervet]

If you weren't a dishonest moron, you would realize that the term "the feminine gender" is an example of how the term "gender" can be used to mean "sex". This is different from definition 2b, which is: b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex.

So to recap, here is what you've learned. 1) Contrary to your mistaken assertation, the term "gender" is not limited to grammar. 2) Misrepresenting one of the most commonly referred to sites on the web will expose you as dishonest and desperate. 3) You lack even a basic grasp of how a dictionary works.

Here endeth the lesson.

[FormerLib]

If you can't tell the difference between "feminine" and "female", you're in no position to comment on anyone else's "orientation."

[FormerLib]

Here is what we're actually learned. 1) The term "gender" is limited to grammar, and the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex. Physical sex is not one of the definitions for "gender". Only a moron would use it in this manner. 2) When proven wrong, you attempt to displace your error onto your opponent, apparently thinking that no one will notice the lack of logic behind the bluster. 3) You're a pro-homo cheerleader!

Toodles, cheerleader!

[flyervet]

Main Entry: 1gen·der
Pronunciation: 'jen-d&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English gendre, from Middle French genre, gendre, from Latin gener-, genus birth, race, kind, gender -- more at KIN
Date: 14th century
1 a : a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms b : membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass c : an inflectional form showing membership in such a subclass
2 a : SEX (the feminine gender)b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex.

Merriam-Webster.

SYLLABICATION: gen·der
PRONUNCIATION: jndr
NOUN: 1. Grammar a. A grammatical category used in the classification of nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and, in some languages, verbs that may be arbitrary or based on characteristics such as sex or animacy and that determines agreement with or selection of modifiers, referents, or grammatical forms. b. One category of such a set. c. The classification of a word or grammatical form in such a category. d. The distinguishing form or forms used. 2. Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture. 3a. The condition of being female or male; sex. b. Females or males considered as a group: expressions used by one gender.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition, 2000

gender
noun
SPECIALIZED OR FORMAL
the physical and/or social condition of being male or female, or specialized the grammatical divisions of masculine, feminine and neuter into which nouns, adjectives, etc. are divided in some languages
There are now various tests which can show the gender of a baby long before it is born. [U]
Discrimination on the basis of race, gender, age or disability is not allowed. [U]
She has never allowed her gender to restrict her in any way. [U]
I think both genders (=sexes) are equally capable of looking after children. [C]
In some societies, gender roles are very fixed.
SPECIALIZED French has two genders. [C]

Cambridge Dictionaries Online

gen·der
n. 1 the grouping of words into masculine, feminine, or neuter classes: The gender of ``la maison" is feminine.
2 The classification of male and female living things: Most companies do not discriminate based on race, age, gender, or sexual orientation. See: sex .

Newbury House Online Dictionary

Physical sex is not one of the definitions for "gender". Only a moron would use it in this manner.

FormerLib

[FormerLib]

It's really gettin' to ya, ain't it?

[flyervet]

Huh?

[flyervet]

"3) You're a pro-homo cheerleader!"

And you argue like a liberal. Name-calling . . . the last refuge of the unarmed debater. :)

[FormerLib]

Stating the facts is not arguing like a liberal. They prefer to ignore the facts, such as sex being a physical attribute.

And restarting two months old threads is just soooooooooo gay!