Posted on 04/21/2003 8:55:51 AM PDT by new cruelty
Although personally I don't like that one because it does include Israel in the quiz and I for one am a paleocon that supports Israel (as do most paleocons I've met)
The division is going to get wider as the neocons tradionally support abortion, bans on gun ownership, racial politics of quotas,....
If approving of leftist policies with different catchphrases then yes the faux conservative movement is making itself felt in corridors of power. Look just within the past 8 years. Bush isn't arguing against nationalized healthcare as many conservatives did back in the early 90s, he's just arguing for a different flavor
Conservatism has succeeded in America by shaking off the tendency to define America in terms of an ethnic nativist ideal that never was and also by rejecting the isolationist view that if America shuts itself out from the world its problems won't come here to endanger us
Isolationist only to the point that each and every nation has the sovereign right to determine its own destiny. Unlike the neocon ideal of establishing 'global democracy'
The problem the paleos see with American diversity is actually the country's greatest source of strength thanks to the contributions made by people from all over the world to America's prosperity and security. And with 9-11 its not simply possible to avoid dealing with danger at it source. This is where pre-emptive intervention abroad actually enhances American well-being in way that pulling down the window shades on the train and pretending the Indians aren't shooting at us doesn't
I don't see a thing wrong with diversity and neither do most paleocons. However when diversity does interfere with my right to celebrate my heritage yes there is a problem with diversity. Your argument is the same one used by the PC police. But what else should I expect from a liberal?
As for argument of preemptive attacks, that's just another example of these United States not allowing a nation to evolve at its own pace. No, evolve at the pace we tell you to and go the path we tell you to. How is this different from establishment of colonies under every other historical Empire? You may call it something different but the end result is the same. An extension of the main body into other nations
Mainstream conservatives are cognizant of political reality and fervently embrace Ronald Reagan's admonition America is a country too great to be constrained by limits. Paleo-cons suffer from being handicapped by idealizing that America's glory is all behind her and the country in decline. In contrast most conservatives believe America's best days are yet to come and this country has yet to achieve its full potential.
Ah, limits. We can't have the Constitution standing in the way now can we? Why not just drive to Washington and flush the d#mn thing in the toilet while you're at it? I don't know about you but I don't think the Founders of this nation, or anyone else for the first 80 years of this country's existence, dreamed of a nation that the average citizen had 25-30% of their income stolen out of their pockets and depended on the national government to build everything for them, all the while going deeper in debt by the second
Instead of fighting a battle to preserve an America that never was and won't come to existence and fighting to limit America's place in the world, paleo cons should join mainstream conservatives to make America a country better in law and spirit and to make this century another American Century
LOL!! New American Century, eh? Who are you? Bill Kristol? That sounds like the opening phrase off their pitiful website. I'll not join any group, in spirit or in law, that defends actions that deny the limits set by the Constitution.
Does anyone here have statisics supporting this?
Before you go slapping my hands or chiding me for not doing my own research, bear in mind that I only ask here first because I know that another Freeper will probably already have the info at hand.....
What happened was the Socialists took over the Democrat Party. Liberals no longer have a party of their own; they merely hang onto the old Democrat Party that was taken over by those radical Socialists who were smart and devious enough to usurp a major party. The Liberals were blindsided by the socialists who are part of the world movement.
That's it right there!!!
Yep, it sure is
I don't know from where this 'paleocon movement' is going to arise...
In the sense that labels can be used to divide a party, then outsiders will pay close attention to them and try to exloit them. Some here will unwillingly help those outsiders by dwelling on labels. Also, many of us use the term RINO.
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That's it in a nutshell. Because of that we have a "conservative" party that has as its only goal the winning of elections. No true conservative issue can ever be advanced because they are always working on winning votes for the next election. We saw it in the '70s, and we're seeing it today.
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