Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks
I've made that point 294857 times, but people still insist homosexuality is "behavior". It isn't.
"There are plenty who just simply stop acting on their desire (for the same sex), but the underlying disease (of lusting after them) is still present."
I disagree with the "disease" part, but other than that I think you're probably correct.
Yes. There are bigots on both sides of the gay issue. No matter which side the bigot is on, the bigotry is equally evil.
No, it's reasonable thinking, since (if you check in scripter's links above and my reference to them) a MUCH larger perecentage of child molestations are committed by homosexuals than by heterosexuals. I don't mean the majority of molestations are same sex, but the numbers are roughly one third (depending on the study) and homosexuals are only about 2% if the population.
Qwerty, do you know that you are very pathetic? Check out the book scripter links to - subtitled something about overhauling straight America - I'll try to get back to it and link it - you MUST have read it. It's all in there, a book written by homo-activists. Your problem is you keep denying things that everyone, including homosexuals (especially homosexuals, since you guys thought it up and did it) KNOW are true.
It's like the Goebbles' "Big Lie" method that Clinton used - just keep denying the obvious truth until your dying day.
And repeated behavior reinforces the attraction, adds fuel to the fire so to speak. Here's an example - the mind (which basically just replays everything you've ever put it in, including all the movies watched, etc) comes up with a thought - an attraction, if you will. If you "entertain" the thought - the desire - meditate on it - read articles about it - look at pictures about it - go to chat rooms about it - etc etc - and then ACT on it - that's one path. Another path is this - the thought enters the mind, and you tell that thought - Get the F**k out of here! That's disgusting! And you don't focus on it, drool over it, etc or act on it.
Everyone's minds are full of all kinds of weird passing thoughts that they don't act on. That's called being a human being, instead of an animal.
There's a mistaken belief that if we don't act on our desires they will get stronger and stronger, so we have to "do" them to get them out of our system. The reverse is actually true - most desires will get weaker and weaker if we ignore them (especially unhealthy, abnormal or harmful ones, not normal ones like wanting to eat when you're stomach is empty). By ignoring a sick/unhleathy desire its power in the mind diminishes more and more and finally goes away when not acted upon or meditated upon.
Yeah, I know. I've read some of Remedy's stuff. I was trying to make a point to Lan.
Here it is, thanks to scripter:
That book was After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. Anybody can read an accurate summary of the book if they're interested. Both books are excellent reads.
He has a link a little back up the thread.
We could go around about this again, but you'd only fling more links. Thousands SAY they left the lifestyle, but how many continue to fantasize about gay sex? How many are actually "gay" to begin with?
Yes, thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle. From everything I've studied on this issue, there is no such thing as a homosexual, just homosexual behavior, so engaging in homosexual behavior is a choice. Everyone struggles with something in their life but not everyone acts on it. And acting on homosexuality is a choice some make.
Nobody said it was easy to leave the homosexual lifestyle, but it's possible as thousands have demonstrated.
I don't wish to "make" anything of it - I just want you to clarify yourself. Are you saying that to have mean unreasonable thoughts about someone is morally equivalent to being a pedophile - whether they just "think" about it, visit sick websites, advise others how to do it, and/or do it themselves?
In my view (reality) the two are like comparing stealing penny candy and robbing old ladies out of their life savings while beating them up. Both are crimes, but can't compare morally.
The fact that you feel I'm pathetic doesn't matter. You are still wrong, and your side has already lost.
"Check out the book scripter links to - subtitled something about overhauling straight America - you MUST have read it."
I never read it. I'm not sure why you think someone's book is speaking for all homosexuals.
"It's all in there, a book written by homo-activists. Your problem is you keep denying things that everyone,(especially homosexuals, since you guys thought it up and did it) KNOW are true."
You think that because a homosexual wrote a book, I know about it? Do you think we gather in underground caverns the first friday of every month after the art galleries close to discuss how we're going to rule the world?
"It's like the Goebbles' "Big Lie" method - just keep denying the obvious truth until your dying day."
Is that how you keep yourself from realizing that you're a conspiracy nut?
We also have the Catholic church turning a blind eye to homosexuals and pedaphiles. Now their is "religious" approval.
That is not for me to decide.
The bigots know who they are. The bigots know the coldness of their own hearts. The bigots' hatereds will lead them to lead lives that parallel their mean spirits. The bigots will face their ultimate judgements before God.
It's fine if you don't ping me. I get pinged anyway, usually.
"Unfortunately you continue to ignore the truths put forth on this forum."
No, I ignore the herd of propaganda links that you put forth. Big difference.
"From everything I've studied on this issue, there is no such thing as a homosexual, just homosexual behavior, so engaging in homosexual behavior is a choice."
Of course engaging in any behavior is a choice. It's the attraction you have no control over.
"Nobody said it was easy to leave the homosexual lifestyle, but it's possible as thousands have demonstrated."
How many go BACK to the homosexual lifestyle? Thousands might have stopped acting on their impulses (probably most of them only temporarily), or perhaps were straight to begin with.... but this doesn't prove that you can ever stop being a homosexual.
Of course, even if I could leave it I wouldn't. But that's another issue entirely.
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