[clintonbaiter]

The decline and fall of the American empire!

[GOPcapitalist]

They had this story on Fox news earlier today. One of the guests was a Republican congressman from Florida, Mark Foley, who opposes these camps. They had some shrill left wing banshee advocating it. She claimed that Foley lacked any credentials to complain about the camp because he had never visited it!

[rs79bm]

I remember reading this about a week ago. I guess they should go around and close of the nudists beaches in western florida and south central ca., as well. But of course, they won't do that.

[newgeezer]

The rest of the article (why not?):

June 28, 2003: "It makes me a bit freaked out that people would think of nudity as a sexual thing," said Michelle Jones, a 15 year old nudist from Texas. Michelle is among a number of girls and boys, ages 11 through 18 who are happy little campers at one of America's nudist camps for kids. According to the New York Times article entitled, "Old Enough to Make a Lanyard, and to Do It Nude," teens running around nude, playing volleyball, pudding toss, mini-golf and attending a campfire sing-along, is like any other "family-like environment."

The Times, employing its usual tolerancespeak, points out that parents who enroll their pre-teen and teen-age kids in the nation's growing number of nudist camps geared for that age group aren't very concerned about it and in fact find it a wholesome and safe environment. Actually, according to the Times, "The Nudist Association, the larger of two nationwide, sees this as a place to train 'youth ambassadors' to what nudists call the 'textile' world." Apparently, there is a movement to convert or at least desensitize us all to nudity. Perhaps they even want us all to be so desensitized that we also stop seeing the connection between nudity and sex.

So just how long do you have to be nude to start believing that being clothed is what brings out a person's sexuality? Not to be glib, but if the kids who are enrolled in nudist camps, and the parents who send them, see no connection -- perhaps not liking clothes is just a symptom of a far greater difficulty.

While most people would like to believe they have something special about them, something unique that places them far away from the maddening crowd, the nudists seem to be the maddening crowd.

The Times article explains that up to just recently, preteens and teens had no place to express their abhorrence for clothing, at least not in groups and out in the open. Not anymore though. Haile, who was named 'camper of the day' because she braved a bee sting on her foot can now say, "I've spent my life around nudist resorts; this is the first time I've ever been around kids my own age."

Certainly, it has to warm the cockles of your heart to know that young teenage girls, especially brave ones, can now romp in the fields and dance in the meadows with others their own age, boys included, nude and free from any heretofore human realizations or understanding of why that might not be such a good idea.

It seems the nudists view themselves as "progressives" in a prehistoric, pre-civilization kind of way. You see, people were not confined or controlled by the "textile" industry tens of thousands of years ago. They were free to frolic with the mammoths and giant sloths, never having to worry about catching their cuffs on a tusk or fang -- though they probably had other things to worry about.

The bottom line is that there appear to large numbers of people who have children who think nothing of placing those kids in summer camps so that the kids can parade around sans textiles, with other teens. Yet, it's difficult to understand why these nudists are incapable of seeing the accident just waiting to happen.

In fact, why is it that most attorney generals and state legislatures are oblivious to the potential warping of the mindsets of these young people by their mothers and fathers who apparently don't have the parenting skills of alley cats?

More importantly, this doesn't have to be a question of morality, but rather a question of child safety and child endangerment. What parent of a preteen girl would like to see their child prancing around nude in the woods or bouncing around a volleyball court with a bunch of teenage boys who are also so attired? The folks from the skin-only side of the playing field would like you to believe that because they hate clothing, they (and their offspring) are above basic human impulses and desires.

Despite my not being a libertarian, it still seems to me that the notion of allowing people to be who they want to be without governmental interference or even private interference, so long as they are not hurting anyone, is still usually a good one. However, in these circumstances, where children are involved, someone else is likely to get hurt, and it should be stopped.

While some of the teens involved may not find it harmful, but even wholesome, to be running around nude with other teens and supervised by adults, "watching" their every move, it isn't. If anything, the fact that a group of teenage boys think the idea of a camp full of nude teenage girls is where they want to spend their summer vacation, only adds to the reasons why it 's not a good idea.

Paul Walfield is a freelance writer, and an attorney and counselor at law with an undergraduate degree in Psychology and post-graduate study in behavioral and analytical psychology. He resided for a number of years in the small town of Houlton, Maine and is now practicing law and writing about current events. Paul can be contacted at paul.walfield@cox.net
Paul Walfield

Stamp out unnecessary excerpting.

[thinktwice]

The Greek culture -- at its greatest -- involved athletic contests where contestants, male and female, were nude.

Could it be that cultures controlled or heavily influenced by mullah types -- priests included -- are less civilized than the ancient Greeks?

[Naspino]

How is that this doesn't violate some kind of Child Porn law? Any adults should be dragged off in chains and thrown in jail. This is just sickening. I saw the guy on Fox running the Texas camp say that the children had ASKED their parents to go. Give me a freaking break....Anyone her at 11 yrs old think to ask their parents if there was a nude summer camp they could go to? In that interview it seems they were a lot younger than 11 going to a nude camp.

[Lorianne]

These are private camps! Private clubs. Where are all the "freedom of association" people who were bleating about 1A rights during the Augusta Golf controversy?

[CatoRenasci]

There was an extensive thread on this on the 24th:

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/f-news/934619/posts

As I said then:

Of all the things to worry about, nudist camps for teens are hardly the most important. When I was a graduate student at the University of California, Santa Barbara, we had a nude beach just up from the campus on university-owned property, as well as a nude beach 20 miles or so south. All sorts of students and other local residents of all ages went to both Devereaux and Black's beaches. Over five or six years, I spent a fair mount of time at the nude beach at Devereaux. I saw lots of naked sunbathers and swimmers, but nothing more untoward than a hug or kiss you'd see on any beach.

One may or may not want to go to a nude beach or nudist camp, or want one's children to, but in my experience it was surprisingly innocent and ordinary.

Once, I was later invited to a nudist 'resort' in Topanga Canyon, the name of which now escapes me. Most of the members were LA swinger types, trying to put a somewhat healthy and mystical overlay on their debauchery. And, it was quite debauched, an outdoor version of Plato's Retreat. I never saw so much public sex before or since. This was before AIDS. It was a real "once is philosophy, twice is perversion" sort of place. I didn't go back.

[nothingnew]

According to the New York Times article entitled, "Old Enough to Make a Lanyard, and to Do It Nude," teens running around nude, playing volleyball, pudding toss, mini-golf and attending a campfire sing-along, is like any other "family-like environment."

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.

FMCDH

[Cicero]

What, no bugs?

[proxy_user]

I would say that if you can learn to appear naked before the opposite sex, and refrain from all improper behavior and thoughts, you will have much more self-control and wisdom than the average American.

I can understand why parents would want to teach their children to do this.

Both our culture and the natural inclinations of the male sex make this difficult to accomplish.

But I would imagine that a higher percentage of these young people manage to remain chaste until marriage than the general population.

[Bubba_Leroy]

"It makes me a bit freaked out that people would think of nudity as a sexual thing," said Michelle Jones

She's either really stupid or really ugly.

[El Gato]

The decline and fall of the American empire!

Hardly, such camps have existed for decades, and probably centuries. Certainly I've been aware of their existance since the 1950s, and I'm sure they were around long before that.