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Revising the Alamo
NY Daily News ^ | 8/17/03 | Joe Leydon

Posted on 08/17/2003 7:05:54 AM PDT by jimbo123

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To: jimbo123
The Alamo........will be told using the mexican perspective and of course the modern day BIBLE that is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Hail the left, and rot from within.
41 posted on 08/17/2003 2:23:19 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: Rightly Biased
I've learned more US history from this thread than I learned in 12 years of public education.

I have heard that this movie is focusing on the Texans total disregard for the environment, and that the principal reason Santa Anna's forces were attacking was to protect the environment for future generations. The article doesn't mention this. Has anyone heard about this?



42 posted on 08/17/2003 2:44:32 PM PDT by gitmo (Moderation in all things? Isn't that a little extreme?)
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To: gitmo
Haha, you figured it right, the only spin problem they (the PC pukes, especially those at the University of Texas who just announced a return to racial discrimination) can't figure out how to solve is that Texicans were a mix of anglos and hispanics.

That won't stop them, pretty soon they'll discover that Juan Seguin, one of Houston's ablest officers, a veteran of San Jacinto and eventually a Texas Senator and Mayor of San Antonio was really Irish.
43 posted on 08/17/2003 3:41:51 PM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: Proud_texan; gitmo
Juan Seguin was Irish I live in his namesake town I would know.Jose Navarra was Scottish as well.. or at least that is what they are teaching my kids in pudlic schrewls

No seriously Around Seguin Texas we know what Juan Seguin and Jose Navarro really meant to Texas Independence

See Here
http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/tejanopatriots.htm


LETTER OF GRIEVANCE ADDRESSED TO STEPHEN H. DARDEN, STATE COMPTROLLER, FROM HISPANIC TEXIAN HEROES, DATED JANUARY 12, 1875

"Sir: We the undersigned citizens of this country respectfully address you this communication to remove from your mind what seems to us an unjust impression as regards the application of certain Mexicans for pensions who participated in the Revolution which separated Texas from Mexico. We assert that the following named persons commanded companies at the taking of San Antonio in 1835. On the 20th of October 1835, Juan N. Seguin followed by thirty seven men of Mexican birth, joined on the Salado Creek according to previous appointment, the first Texan forces that gathered in order to oppose the Central Government proclaimed by Santa Anna in violation of the Federal government constitutionally existing. Placido Benavides of (La Bahia) Goliad joined on the same creek with the revolutionary troops with 26 or 28 men, so that at the Battle of Concepcion, the Mexicans who took part in that fight numbered some seventy men if we add some isolated soldiers. Directly after the Concepcion fight it was agreed between the Texian Leaders to put the siege to the city of San Antonio and to remove the camp to the Northern part of the city. But before the removal, Salvador Flores was detailed to the Mexican ranches on the San Antonio River, and Manuel Leal to the Mexican with the object of raising new forces that were very much needed; these two patriots returned soon after, Flores with 15 new men, and Manuel Leal with 26.

A conflict of authority took place at that moment between Juan N. Seguin and Placido Benavides both claiming to be Captain; it was amicably settled in favor of Seguin for the reason that he had raised more men than Benavides, but with the understanding that although Seguin was to be the Superior officer, Benavides would preserve the direct and immediate Command over the men he had brought from Goliad, and that agreement was intended to Manuel Leal and Salvador Flores; as soon as the troops reach their new camp, on the old mill, they were joined by fourteen privates of the old Company of the Alamo for the most part sons of San Antonio who deserted from Mexican forces of Gen. Cos and joined Seguin's Command with arms and baggage. There was not at that time any thing like a muster roll, or a regular register of enlistment; every volunteer who offered his services was readily accepted, and the men joined the party that suit them best, they acted with a liberty that had nothing in common with the disciplining of a regular army: generally the private followed the order of the officer who had brought them to Camp. During the stay of the troops, before San Antonio, several parties of Mexicans joined the patriots; namely, Miguel Aldrete who in company with Mayor Collensworth came from Goliad with twenty odd men; Col. J. C. Neil and Philip Dimmit who arrived also with a Mexican Company raised in Victoria and in the lower country, without counting isolated enlistment that took place every day. In fact, the company of Seguin alone amounted to over one hundred and sixty men on the day of the Storming of Bexar.

After the taking of the place, that company was sent out to protect the people of the Ranches, against the devastation made by the retiring Mexican troops. On their return they found that the Mexican volunteers of Benavides and Dimmitt had left for home, as well as the American patriots. There were not fourteen Americans in San Antonio, after the taking of the place. Col. J. C. Neil had received, first the military Command, but he was soon after superceded by B. Travis who had under his former company and that of Seguin. They continued in active service, for several months and relying on the false report that all was quiet on the Mexican borders, a large quantity of the Mexicans were authorized to retire in order to protect their families against Indian depredations. At the coming of Santa Anna, the company of Seguin had been reduced, and the arrival of the enemy being entirely unsuspected; the most part of the men received the authorization to secure the safety of their families and to join the Texians at the Alamo; it is due to that circumstance that fifteen Mexicans only entered the Alamo with Travis.

At the gathering of the Texian Army at Gonzalez, Seguin had a large Company, in fact the largest of the Army, but it was a new Company quite different from the one he had commanded at the taking of Bexar. He had above one hundred men; out of whom 25 were detached to protect the invaded population. From 15 to 20 were at the order of Deaf Smith; thirty odd were sent Eastward to escort and protect American families, three men were sick at San Felipe, about ten at least were with the baggage at Harrisburg, four or five remained behind in charge of the horses at the moment of the battle of San Jacinto., so that he mustered only twenty two men, when he was ordered to give the names of those who had actually fought.

We would respectfully remind you that we and our comrades took up arms against our own kindred and country, believing we were right, and now we feel humiliated to find that when we have testified on oath to the services rendered by us and our (own) old companions, many of whom are not only suffering from the infirmities of age but also from extreme poverty that their claims should be disregarded and forced to wait for weeks and months for their pensions, when Americans have been promptly paid upon what we consider no better evidence than our friends have furnished. We feel assured, Honored Sir, that you must have been misled or misinformed as to the parties who have applied for pensions as well as their witnesses, and we address you this communication to disabuse your mind of any prejudice you may entertained, and to assure you that we entertained for you personally the kindest feelings and only ask for our old companions simply justice and nothing more."

Signed: Juan Jimenes, Ygnacio Espinaso, Martine Maldonado, Ignacio Arocha, Tomas Martines, Narciso Leal, Juan Martines, Antonio Oliva, Estevan Uron, Manuel Montalvo, Crescencio Montes, Pablo Salinas, Quirino Garza, Nepomuceno Flores, Juan N. Seguin, Antonio Menchaca, Jose Antonio Rodriguez, Antonio Vasquez, Damaso de Los Reyes

45 posted on 08/17/2003 6:40:19 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<><)
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To: joanil
Yes and yes.


46 posted on 08/17/2003 6:50:29 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: jimbo123
Dear Mr. Doug,

You have not made a point at all, considering that my article in now way poses an assertion that could be possibly answered with your reply. For that to be the case, I suppose you would have to argue that Mexican Americans, or any other American, has no right to be critical of misperceptions of our country and thus try to correct them. This is the best country on the face of the Earth, which is why it's so important for us to do what we can to maintain it that way. This requires searching our hearts and acknowledging our faults, then making peace with them. Or would you argue that being a patriot means saying nothing? Or do you believe that only certain Americans are allowed to speak?
I respectfully suggest you read my article again with this in mind.

Best,
Oscar Villalon
Book Editor
-----Original Message-----
From: newsletter@[mailto:newsletter@]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:16 PM
To: Villalon, Oscar
Subject: THE ALAMO


If LIFE IS so terrible for Mexicans in America, why do so many millions of them cross the border?"
It's because life is so wuuuuuunderful in Mexico that they are coming over to the United States to share their wuuuuunderful vision of life. You see, in Mexico, there's no discrimination, no poverty, no upper or lower class. Jobs are plentiful, health care is available to all, they all have clean water, good schools and really really caring politicians and police who only want the best for the people.



I think I've made my point. Your article is leftist pablum, and our many hispanic friends (and loves--including my wife) agree.

Doug
47 posted on 04/15/2004 6:31:24 PM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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