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To: HMS Surprise

If you mean social contract, that is not law.

You still refuse to cite any CONTEMPORANEOUS source (or any source other than yours say so..) while you state that the meaning at the time of the constitution is what matters.

Where as I have done so to define CITIZEN since NATURAL BORN is a subset of CITIZEN the 1828 defined by Webster stands as the correct one.

But to belabor the point

“the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”

1st US congress 1790

Or do you claim that you and not they are in better standing to know what NATURAL BORN CITIZEN meant at that time ?


80 posted on 02/25/2015 11:00:17 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1

So, in your world Congress can amend the Constitution by statute? Can Congress also void the 2nd Amendment? Just asking.


84 posted on 02/25/2015 11:12:47 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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The argument wherein Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen stems from the thinking that his mother was an American citizen. This negated the need for Cruz to even be born on American soil in this line of thinking.

If that is so, then Rubio and Jindal can not be considered natural born, because even though they were born on American soil, neither had any parent who was already an American citizen. Their parents were citizens of another country and thus, their allegiance was to another country at the time of their sons’ births.

But if they are considered natural born solely because they born on American soil, regardless of parentage, then that knocks out Cruz because he was not born in America.

In all three cases, the best that can be said is that they were born with dual citizenship.

If that is so, how can a person born a dual citizen be considered “natural-born”? hey cannot be equivalent, as the dual citizen by nature has more than a singular allegiance.

If a dual citizen is the equivalent of natural born, then John Jay wasted his time with George Washington to get the words “natural born” added to the Constitution for the requirements for the Presidency, when Hamilton’s “citizen” would have sufficed.

“Natural born” must mean something. When growing up, it meant born on American soil to two American citizens.

What changed?


86 posted on 02/25/2015 11:22:45 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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