No thanks for your time-wasting dissertation on whether or not Hawaii regards its short forms as generally valid. That has nothing to do with whether or not Obama's short form was the BEST AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION of his Hawaiian birth. Just because the short form is adequate for most Hawaiian needs and for passports does not mean it is adequate to qualify a U.S. president to serve. The standard for the latter should be as stringent as possible: all available potentially pertinent documentation should be released. The long form contains information missing from short forms, such as the doctor's name, hospital name, and more details about the parents. Those details might have either increased or decreased the credibility of Obama's claim to have been born in Hawaii. Yet Obama didn't release his long form until 2011.
If the short form was not considered a primary document, no one born in Hawaii could use copies of that vital record to obtain a U.S. Passport.
Cute. The short form was a secondary document in that it was created from a more detailed primary document, the long form. The MSM could never quite grasp that if Obama's short form was valid, that meant that a long form had once existed, and probably still existed. If the short form was a forgery, probably no long form had ever existed. The issue was trivial to resolve -- if Obama had been interested in resolving it, instead of pursuing a political stunt.
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
You're not keeping up with your leftist talking points! That one was dropped when Obama DID obtain his long form in 2011. Policies intended to minimize work for Hawaii Health Department workers are set aside when a U.S. senator or president requests a little special service. If Obama did it in 2011, why couldn't he have done it in 2007?
When Mitt Romney released a copy of his birth certificate, it was a Michigan short form Certificate of Live Birth:
So what? There was absolutely no controversy about whether or not Mitt Romney was born a United States citizen. Both of his parents were U.S. citizens and he was born in Detroit. Had there been any controversy, I'm sure that Romney would have provided his long form immediately. Had he not done so, the MSM would have demanded it.
I expect you will respond to this with more copy and paste nonsense that ignores the substance of my posts. Don't bother.
Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution: “Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, RECORDS, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”
Whatever the state of Hawaii says is a valid and certified birth record of their state MUST be accepted in every other state and in the case of the Obama short form computer print out abstract, no state rejected it.
Every Hawaii short form Certification of Live Birth states “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
No state or federal court has ever rejected a certified short form from Hawaii.
The policy under the Governor Linda Lingle Administration was not to release long forms. When the Abercrombie administration took over in 2011, they changed the policy. You still have to make a special request, as Obama did, to get a copy of an original long form. Governor Lingle was a Republican; Governor Abercrombie was a Democrat and a college friend of Obama’s parents.
Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney was born at Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico. Mitt’s grandfather was the leader of a group of Mormons who left the United States for Mexico in order to practice polygamy without government interverence.
Questions might have been raised about whether Mitt’s father being born with Mexican citizenship as an expatriate from the U.S. impacted his status.
But the Michigan short form was good enough, even though it says that it is VOID on it four times.
Post 72 — THIS!
It’s all right there in a concise, excellently spelled-out nutshell. Namely, if Obama was an adult who operated with even a modicum of decency and good faith, he’d have released his LFBC as soon as questions arose. He would have accompanied it with a bare minimum of statesmanship, such as,
‘The voters pay my salary, my security, my living expenses, and too many other obligations to mention. They are the boss. I work for them. Therefore it is entirely within their prerogative to request to see my credentials. I am pleased to provide them.’
Instead we got Obama’s childish, malignant narcissistic game-playing for years on end. It was Trump who eventually forced the issue, resulting in a facile forgery.
And now the petulant man-child is even lying about that.