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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact it may be in the rules doesn’t make it morally right. That’s the same logic as saying gay marriage is legal so it’s ok. Situational ethics.


15 posted on 04/19/2016 4:30:25 PM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (Time to go Galt!)
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To: Spirit of Liberty

So one should disregard the rules of the party one belongs to? Does that make sense to you?


17 posted on 04/19/2016 4:32:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Spirit of Liberty

Bad analogy. A better one would be Woody Hayes (former Ohio State three yards and a cloud of dust coach, for you younger types) saying that if he has to throw the football to win, he’d rather not win.


18 posted on 04/19/2016 4:34:32 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Conservative 2016!! The Dole, H.W. Bush, McCain, Romney experiment has failed.)
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To: Spirit of Liberty

First of all, when it comes to conservative ideals, I doubt that I differ greatly from you. However, when you write, “The fact it may be in the rules doesn’t make it morally right. That’s the same logic as saying gay marriage is legal so it’s ok. Situational ethics,” there is so much in there I cannot agree with that I decided to reply.

1. It may well be that certain rules or even laws are, in fact, morally wrong. But to ignore, neglect or defy them is not an option for the Christian (sorry, I can only look at this from my own perspective). To work for their lawful change is entirely another thing. If you consider the present rules of the GOP to be immoral, you will have every opportunity to remedy that if Trump wins under the existing set of rules. That is one of the reasons I would like to see a non-GOPe nominee, who will be able to reframe the way the party operates. Or do you favor changing the rules in midstream wise? What if to do so would in the future benefit someone or something you do not now perceive that is far more destructive to us all?

2. It is not the same logic as gay marriage. What is more, just because gay marriage is legal, does not make it ok, moral, right or just. Abortion has been legal for four decades. It remains, and will always remain, not ok, immoral, wrong, and unjust. I have little respect for, or interest in, any aspirant for political office who does not take that position. Abortion is evil, unless and until it truly - truly! - is therapeutic, that is, to save the life of the mother ... which is very rare. Besides which, such abortion has never been illegal. Gay marriage is unnatural, immoral, and destructive of human society, as we will learn going forward if we continue on our current trajectory. Hopefully, we will as a society recognize this in time to avoid the worst consequences (but I am doubtful).

3. This is not situational ethics. You need to do some reading on this. To be sure, situational ethics has prepared the way for the present and fashionable rejection of centuries-old mores, but here you are mixing apples with oranges. There is a difference between an individual’s flexible perceptions of right and wrong, that is, situational ethics, and a societies determination of lawful and unlawful, right and wrong.

Finally, a civil society must have laws and rules. Without laws and rules there is no society, only anarchy, which will have even greater negative fallout. Bottom line: It is not only important for the right party/politics to win, but important also how they win.


27 posted on 04/19/2016 5:07:14 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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