Posted on 04/22/2016 12:18:37 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Since ONLY registered GOPs could vote in the N.Y. State GOP presidential primary, your patently ludicrous statement, that Trump only got 20% of that state's votes is about THE most asinine lie, in a post, that I have EVER seen on FR!
Cruz barely managed to get something a bit over 43% of the vote in his ADOPTED home state. He also lost the rest of the Southern states, which were all supposed to be all his!
KaSICKO has ONLY won the state that he is the sitting governor of. LOL
IT IS WAY PAST TIME TO GET BEHIND THE PRESUMPTIVE GOP NOMINEE....DONALD J. TRUMP!
By FRAUD !
You were PROTESTING the Dem Convention in ‘68?
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well, it was the machine that Daily had
It was the “rules” you know, like how Cruz lives by “the rules”
Hon. R.Daily brought in the vote, “by the rules”
This is why some of us old enough to see what happened get pissed off when some machine politicians start bringing in “the rules” to get what they want.
But the fact remains, Nixon should have won that by a landslide. Il only brought a few more delegates to the table that tipped (I mean TIPPED JFK over the top). If I remember, Nixon actually won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college.
For the whole election cycle, Nixon had that in the bag until he got on TV.
Don’t take my word for it, I am sure there are other accountings from folks my age.
Now that really scrapes the bottom of the barrel
No, me and a few buddies went to watch the hippies and find my sister.
It was quite the specatacle. The cops were fire hosing the hippies and sending dogs on them and it was on TV for the previous 3 nights, so we wanted to go.
My sister was in love with the hippies (go figure right?), and I was on leave and went down there because my dad sent me to find my sister (we lived on Addison and Leavitt, a few miles from the protests).
So I hopped on a bus (in uniform) with a school buddy (not in uniform) and we went to Grant Park. Well, the police started putting up barricades and making like a cattle coral, and you had to go only one way, and me and my buddy ended up jumping out of the barricades, and we got grabbed by some cops on horseback.
We were put in a paddy wagon, and sat there with the hippies, who dared not look me in the eye while I was wearing my fancy ass spec 4 stripes! heh
We got to the Belmont station and the hippies were sent inside, the cops saw me in uniform, asked what was going on, I told them about my sister, they told me to take a hike. I said “he’s with me” and pointed to my friend, and they sent us both on our way.
BUT, don’t get the impression that I was a Republican. I was not. I come from Chicago, and from a Chicago family of welders, plumbers and pipefitters. My dad and his brothers, everyone I knew were dems (I was a registered dem until this year). But, that was old school dems, and even Hon Daly had no use for hippies, nor did the cops. So we wanted to see the hippies get busted up.
I’d say our family was the Archie Bunker type D.
Now, don’t jump on me and ask why I’ve been a registerd D all these years (my last vote was for Perot, before that was Reagan 2x then “read my lips” Bush). I haven’t voted since, until this primary.
But that story of why I was a dem will either just piss you off and take up about twice a post this size, which you probably won’t read, OR you’ll just understand and not really need the diatribe as to why a Chicago contractor needs to be a registered D to function.
It would be useful to note how many republicans actually exist in NY
In the general many new voters and Reagan democrats will vote for trump but would never show up for Cruz
Millions of New Yorker’s didn’t even vote, those are Independents who will vote for Trump.
And NEVER forget that the CATHOLIC vote turnout was HUGE!
I saw that debate. Mr. Nixon was ill, looked awful, but sounded great. Those who heard the debate on the radio said that Nixon had WON! Those that saw it on T.V., mostly gave the win to JFK.
LOL...yes, that "rules" thing sticks in many a craw!
Though a GOPer, I was sitting in the living room, in Manhattan, glued to the T.V., cheering on Da Mayer and the cops.
A few years later, I was living in Chicago and did so for 17 years, so you truly don't have to explain anything at all to me about the place. LOL
yeah, we were a catholic family, and JFK was the first catholic to run, it was HUGE
but that’s where I first heard the term “a face built for radio”
In the radio debates, Nixon cleaned JFK’s clock. He had it wrapped up. I remember the nuns and the folks in our town (german / polish neighborhood) were distraught Nixon was beating down a good clean Catholic boy like Kennedy.
But then that TV debate... man, it was OVER.
That next week, the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times endorsed JFK (and they were both conservative papers at the time, not anymore or for years).
But Illinois, in 1960 was the same as the Florida recount.
It had that much impact.
Younger folks don’t know, Daley became a king-maker after that.
After JFK won, Chicago BOOMED. Daley got paid back (and Chicago) 1000 fold for what Daley promised.
Thus the true machine was born.
Politics was no longer about ideology, it was about a paycheck.
At least here in Chicago and many big cities. Endorse the right candidate and you will have a fat wallent, endorse the wrong one, and you will be looking for a job.
Yeah, I'm so worried about Trump's negatives. I don't give a ____ about what a bunch of whiney lefty liberals and lying republicans think about Donald Trump. The liberals wouldn't vote for any Republican and the Republicans will vote for Trump when push comes to shove, especially fater they have had ample opportunity to compare and contrast Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.
Chicago politics was ALWAYS a "MACHINE" run place, like NYC and Tammany Hall, who built the Dem Irish vote and bribes and booze and threats first. Boss Tweed makes Daley Sr. look like a "saint"/amateur! :-0
-—so you truly don’t have to explain anything at all to me about the place. LOL
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Thank you for that. Many here just won’t understand, or can’t understand.
You saved me typing away with 2 fingers for the next 20 minutes!
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We should talk about Chicago, some time, just for fun. :-)
Yeah, you could run circles around me about other machines, I really have no idea. I’ve lived here my whole life.
But.. I do know all big cities have them, and that is why I don’t begrudge Trump for paying off politicians. I have to do the same thing, and I just consider it a tax.
I have given to Operation Push, the Rainbow Coalition, Daley’s Chicago, Rahm’s Chicago and every politician in 3 counties, that includes council members, judges, unions, those in office an those running FOR office (you have to hedge your bets).
It’s the cost of doing business, I learned that after banging my head on a wall and being “principled” for a few years.
“Principled” don’t buy you groceries or pay your workers where I live.
It don’t get you contracts, it gets you parking tickets and hassle.
Trump is way more a business man than I will ever be, and I am impressed he learned “The Business” at such a young age and mastered it so well.
Over the last ten years, you can bet I have given at least 4x as much to dems as Repubs, just a cost of doing business in Cook County IL. I am utterly AMAZED that Trump over the last ten years was able to still donate more to R’s than D’s in a place like NY.
Here, they would be wailing and have my ass tacked up against a wall.
People don’t give him credit for that.
I’d love to.
I am retiring this year, and I can’t wait to get out of the area (I actually live outside of Chicago, but must maintain a Chicago address for contracting).
I won’t go far (northern WI) as my family has roots here, but I’m as Chicago as Uno’s Pizza.
Northside, Wrigleyville, my whole life until 5 years ago I moved to the ‘burbs.
Where did you reside? I’m curious. And why temporarily?
I agree, Trump would make a great VP.
Eva, of all the replies on this thread yours is at least dealing with the actual issue that either candidate will face: flipping enough states from Blue to Red to get to 270 electoral votes.
Mitt Romney only got to 206.
If one assumes that either man would carry all the states that Romney carried, then you need to find 64 more Electoral Votes somewhere.
Florida is one obvious place to start, with 29. Trump did very well in Florida. Could either Cruz or Trump flip Florida Red? I would say Trump has a lot better chance.
I see the Great Lakes region as the big battleground this time, as it has been so many times in the past. Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin ane Pennsylvania between them have 73 votes. Win them all and you don't need Florida, win Florida and any three of the four will get you there.
Again, who has greater appeal in those States? Kasich won Ohio, with Trump a respectable 2nd. Cruz won Wisconsin (the smallest prize of the four), with Trump in 2nd. Trump won Michigan and looks likely to win Pennsylvania.
And of course general electorates are less conservative than GOP primary voters, and seem less likely to reward Cruz's hard-core conservatism.
My take is that Trump's strong anti-free-trade positions, and slightly more moderate social positions might be pretty attractive to these so-called "Rust Belt" states, and give him a real chance to get to 270 in the Electoral College.
I think Cruz's appeal is stronger in the Red State strongholds.
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