[rmlew]

Its not my fault the Byzantines lost to the Seljuks in 1071.

You little slur does not bother me. Some of my ancestors wore those boots.
However, my support for them is strategic. Take a look at a map and refute my arguement.

[Destro]

It has nothing to do with losing wars. It has everything to do with being butchering barbarians. Winning wars and battles is easy. The Greeks and Romans both won and lost but they left in their wake compensation for their empires. The Turks left nothing to history. In fact the Turks destroyed cities and founded none in their place. Every Turkish city is a city founded by someone else. Some cities the Turks never bothered to rebuild because they did not know how once the populations were done away with.

The Mongols were actually better than the Turks because being Anamists they had no desire to convert conqured populations while the Turks being both Asiatic barbarians and Muslims were butchers even after resistance ended something the Mongols never did to those that accepted defeat.