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FR has people (several frequent posters in fact) who spend time discussing natural disasters that strike the United States when Israel is slighted.

Both forums have it's lunatics, only OWK is quite direct that he wishes them gone and he is quite clear that they contribute nothing.

Many on this forum think the anti-patriots who discuss natural disasters striking the United States when Israel is slighted are 'friends' of the forum's stated goals.

There is nothing that goes on at FR that even comes close to the pro-Hitler, white supremacist, racist, etc. crap that goes on at LF, and for you to claim there is dishonest.

AND may I add the rah-rahing over there when American soldiers are killed in Iraq is as odious as the pro-Hitler stuff. You will NEVER see that at FR. Ever. Some of them were positively crestfallen when Wolfowitz was not killed in the attack on the Al-Rashid hotel.

You have, in all too typical Libertarian fashion, labeled those with whom you find disagreement (the anti-patriots).

It is just such posturing (arrogant in its' effect) that draws deserved fire from many quarters. ( I do not call you arrogant, John, your posts are always reasonable in intent, in my view...I assert that the labeling of others by the LP is arrogant).

As to lunatics at FR, I would assert that the percentage, compared to the mentioned LP forum, is far less.

As to your assertion, and that of OWK's, that those who suggest that abandonment of Israel could bring the curses of God, how do you know that they are crazy to make such a claim? Where do they find the understanding of such claims? Why would they be anti-partiots for accepting what is written by the prophets of their faith?

But even if one is to dismiss religious people, and their view based upon what their scriptures impart, how is it that Libertarians find principle in abandonment of the only democracy in the Middle East?

John, the head in the sand concept of foreign policy of the LP is a foolish, even simplistic, and potentially deadly, idea....

I do not really want answers to the questions possed...they are presented as statement of disagreement with your assertion that those who believe we should support Israel are KOOKS or anti-patriots.