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'Taking Two' Talk Of Town; Student Punished For Keeping Extra Soda From Machine
KOAT-TV/DT Albuquerque ^ | 11.3.03

Posted on 11/03/2003 2:51:33 PM PST by mhking

RIO RANCHO, N.M. -- A Rio Rancho teen was slapped with an in-school suspension for taking both sodas that came out of a vending machine, when he had only paid for one.

That story, first reported on KOAT Action 7 News, was the talk of the town Thursday. It was the buzz on morning radio, topped local newscasts and was the talk of parents in the Rio Rancho School District.

On Monday, Rio Rancho student Mason Kisner, 12, said he bought a can of pop at a school vending machine, and instead of getting one can, he received two.

Kisner said he spread the word, and other students tried to get in on the deal. A teacher who saw Kisner getting the two sodas on Monday told him not to do it again. But Kisner said the teacher saw him get another two sodas for the price of one on Tuesday.

The boy said the teacher called him a thief and accused him of trying to teach other students how to steal. He was written up, given a two-day in-school suspension and the incident will appear on his permanent school record.

"I'm flabbergasted, bewildered, dumbfounded. I can't think of another word to describe how I feel about this incident," said Edward Kisner, the boy's father. "What kind of character is this showing Mason?"

"It makes me feel very sad that I'm going to be thought as a thief later on in my life," Mason Kisner said. "Heck, I might not get in a good college or get a good job because on my permanent record it will say that when I was a kid, I stole."

Rio Rancho Public Schools issued a written statement: "On Monday a teacher observed Mason manipulating the soft drink machine at the school. The teacher advised Mason that getting two sodas for the price of one is the equivalent to stealing. When the teacher observed Mason doing the same thing again on Tuesday, she wrote him up."

However, according to Pepsi Cola, which distributes the machines, a problem like this one with a vending machine is usually a programming error. A company representative said the student could not have manipulated the machine from the outside.

"I'm very disappointed I haven't gotten a phone call from the school rescinding Mason's suspension at this point," said Edward Kisner. "You know, when you say you're wrong, it's not a sign of weakness."


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1 posted on 11/03/2003 2:51:34 PM PST by mhking
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Your government schools at work...

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

2 posted on 11/03/2003 2:52:08 PM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
What a batch of BS.
3 posted on 11/03/2003 2:55:40 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: mhking
I have had this happen. I just figured it was devine intervention for all those times I dropped my money in the slot and got nothing.

Gees I had no idea I was an aspiring felon.

4 posted on 11/03/2003 2:56:36 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: mhking
How come this kind of thing never happens with ATM machines?
5 posted on 11/03/2003 2:58:20 PM PST by SamAdams76 (201.6 (-98.4) Homestretch to 200)
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To: mhking
When I was going through digital electronics school for the Navy in San Diego, there was a soda machine that when you put in 2 nickels it would give you a soda and drop out two quarters. It was then found that if you put two nickels in and hit the coin return it dropped two quarters out.

It took over a month for the guy to figure it out and in the interim it was a race to the machine on all breaks. We'd go to school everyday with a roll of nickels or two in our pockets.

I almost feel bad except the guy running the machines was sticking it to us for 6 months on the other side of the base in a different class where the machine would only take bills and wouldn't dispense any change. We made our money back 3 fold.

Never try to outscrew a salty sailor. You never win in the end.
6 posted on 11/03/2003 2:59:54 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig ("I've got a feeling you've got a heart like mine. Let's stomp some rat ba!!$, you can let it shine.")
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To: mhking
Back in high school, I paid for one soda and six came out. Instead of keeping all of them, I just took two, and gave the rest to some friends after they finished track-and-field practice. Hey, they needed it more than I did.
7 posted on 11/03/2003 3:00:04 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: Newbomb Turk
I agree with you. All those quarters I've lost over a lifetime, if two sodas pop out I'm for darn sure keeping them both. (I would, however, notify somebody that the machine was malfunctioning. But I also return my shopping carts to the rack, so...)
8 posted on 11/03/2003 3:00:18 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (One of Those Dreaded Federal Employees)
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To: mhking
I guess buying 1 car, then taking another off the lot without paying for it isn't stealing either.

Lying, cheating and stealing are absolutes.
9 posted on 11/03/2003 3:01:09 PM PST by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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To: mhking
We criticize the Public Schools because they do not teach ethics and when they do, we criticize them....

"We will not cheat, steal or lie nor tolerate those among us who do"

The boy was warned once in a confrontation with the teacher then he proceeded to instruct other students on the machine error. The NEXT day he was observed again raiding the machine.....

The Dad is setting the bad example by his mock outrage....a little humility on his part and some leadership would be more in order....

Hate to be a hard *ss but better he learn the lesson here then out in the real world...That's why they call it school...

NeverGore
10 posted on 11/03/2003 3:04:06 PM PST by nevergore (Please return your seat trays and seat backs to their full and upright position....)
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To: VMI70
Not if the dealer gives you the keys to both.
11 posted on 11/03/2003 3:11:56 PM PST by Bogey78O (No! Don't throw me in the briar patch!!!!!)
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To: mhking
I have failed this test, too. But Jesus set the example with the parable of the talents. Our attitude about the small stuff is important.
12 posted on 11/03/2003 3:15:54 PM PST by IpaqMan
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To: nevergore
Ditto
13 posted on 11/03/2003 3:17:29 PM PST by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: VMI70
I guess buying 1 car, then taking another off the lot without paying for it isn't stealing either.

If the machine dispenses two, what do you want him to do with the extra? He can't shove it back in.

14 posted on 11/03/2003 3:22:31 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: nevergore
I agree! I had a swim coach many years ago who told his swimmers that the character of man is measured by how he handles himself in situations involving (1)authority, (2)money, and (3)stress. This kid missed the target in the first two instances: he ignored the teacher's warning and continued to TAKE THAT WHICH WAS NOT HIS. His daddy ought to chastizing him instead of the school. This is exactly how thieving corporate CEO's are groomed...."Oh, it's just a little bit of money".
15 posted on 11/03/2003 3:23:40 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("We few....We proud few....We Band of Brothers")
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To: VMI70
and you have never taken anything that was not yours, or did anything else wrong.... Right!

The article says that the machine cannot be manipulated from the outside. To take advantage of this two soda deal isn't illegal, nor wrong. It was actually rather smart, since it was a two-fer deal.
I buy cartons of 12/12 oz. Pepsi cans at the store 5/$10.00. If I get two from a machine, the vendor will surely not go broke. If I lose a quarter or two, the vendor will surely keep it, since I usually can't find him. Get real with your pious attitude. It is just a mechanical error.

Lying, cheating and stealing are certainly absolutes, but this is not an absolute situation.
Sin, according to its proper definition, is "missing the mark", as an arrow shot at a bullseye. Any hit outside the bullseye is sin. Our lives are lived consistently outside the bullseye, for one reason or another, but God provided a remedy (To quote the Bible, John 3:16 comes to mind).
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16 posted on 11/03/2003 3:24:19 PM PST by pageonetoo (In God I trust, not the g'umt!)
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To: pageonetoo
BTW, the teacher had the ability to control the error. He could have put a sign on the machine stating "out of order", and notified the vendor.
17 posted on 11/03/2003 3:26:48 PM PST by pageonetoo (In God I trust, not the g'umt!)
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To: big ern
When I was in the AF, some clever airman discovered if you slapped a discarded radar magnetron (big, strong, heavy magnet)on the side of the Pepsi machine by the coin slot, it would trip the mechanism and give you a free soda. We only got away with it for a few days before disciplinarty action was threatened :-)
18 posted on 11/03/2003 3:30:04 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: mhking
Does this mean that the vending company is stealing from the student when the bag of potato chips clings to the screw and doesn't drop for the paying customer to retrieve? And what about the next customer who gets two bags for the price of one?

-PJ

19 posted on 11/03/2003 3:30:31 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: VMI70
What abaout all the times you paid for a car and didn't get it? :-)
20 posted on 11/03/2003 3:31:12 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four
...or they wouldn't give you a car because your money was too wrinkled?
21 posted on 11/03/2003 3:32:37 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: pageonetoo
No the teacher could not have done that. It would have made sense and it is prohibited in public schools for teachers to possess any type of sense.
22 posted on 11/03/2003 3:35:28 PM PST by em2vn
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To: mhking
When I was in High School some of the athletes (myself included) started a fad of reaching up into soda machines and pulling down the cans. Some machines were tougher than others, but that was part of the fun. As far as I know no one ever got in trouble.
23 posted on 11/03/2003 3:38:55 PM PST by JohnSmithee
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To: mhking
"I'm flabbergasted, bewildered, dumbfounded. I can't think of another word to describe how I feel about this incident," said Edward Kisner, the boy's father. "What kind of character is this showing Mason?"

Somebody needs to give dear old dad a clue . . .

24 posted on 11/03/2003 3:44:39 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: JohnSmithee
You were lucky.

When I was in college, my roommate tried that- one night at 2 am he went to another building to get a soda, when he realized he forgot to bring money. So he got an idea- he reached up into the machine and pulled out a free soda. Shocked and pleased, he reached up again and took another. Never having heard about quitting when ahead, he tried it once more when the mechanism slammed shut on his hand. He escaped with many stitches and he was banned from the dorms.

Guess he also never heard about the third time being the charm either ; )
25 posted on 11/03/2003 3:47:55 PM PST by Vesuvian
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To: mhking
My life sentence working for a major soda company was commuted years ago. If a machine messed up, then the route driver paid for it out of his pocket. Not the company. I have paid for many, many free sodas through the years. I also cultivated a network of friends that would keep an eye on the machines to let me know if something like this happened.

I am sure that Pepsi has a large service force to go out and maintain these machines. All it takes is a call and they come out within 24 hours, sooner for malfunctions that cost the company money. The number is usually located on the machine with a label.

Having said that, let's look at it from different points of view - starting with the route driver. If the machine messes up, the driver pays. Since most machines at schools are serviced AT LEAST every two days, then all someone had to do was to call service or leave him a note. OOO signs also work.

From the kids perspective - He put his money in, and it drops out two sodas. If he didn't put his arm up the product chute to jimmy the vend arms, use a string or otherwise intentionally steal the product, then he did nothing wrong. It is not his fault that machines break. It just happens. Using the machine the next day is not a crime - what is he to do, never use that machine again until Pepsi sends him a personalized invitation that it is now working OK?

Here's the problem - the same punishment is meted out for a 50 cent "crime" as it would be for a $1000 crime. Since the students' records are "sealed", then to outsiders it looks the same as a smash and grab. This is a much different crime and doesn't even need to be mentioned. Find the route driver and send him 50 cents.

School rules are not the same as a court finding you guilty, but they can punish a student out of proportion to anything that a student has done. And he has no way to fight back.
26 posted on 11/03/2003 3:54:38 PM PST by texas booster (Shouldn't Davis be gone from Sacramento by now?)
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To: mhking
I thought I'd seen alot, but posters passing judgement on a boy taking an extra soda from a machine? Hell, I've been ripped off so many times by vending machines I'll give this kid my imaginary tokens and he's good for life!
27 posted on 11/03/2003 3:58:16 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Bogey78O
How about the boy in San Antonio that found the phone books had a coupon from $ 500.00 off on the purchase of a new car? He went to all the phone booths in town collected enough coupons to purchase a new car for his mother. The dealership said he could only use one coupon. The judge said if that’s the case it must be written on the coupon. These coupons had no restrictions or expiration date.

When I go to a soda machine the button says $1.25. No where does it say how many bottles I will get for my $1.25. I would hope that the machine gives the correct amount. If I’m only to get one bottle it should so state. It looks to me like what ever it gives me is mine unless so stated.

28 posted on 11/03/2003 4:11:05 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
A friend of mine in college found a flaw in a debit system LSU used where between certain hours at night it would not deduct points from your debit card.

Needless to say he made all his purchases at vending machines at those times.
29 posted on 11/03/2003 4:19:26 PM PST by Bogey78O (No! Don't throw me in the briar patch!!!!!)
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To: BlueMoose
The judge said if that’s the case it must be written on the coupon. These coupons had no restrictions or expiration date.

Wow. So, did the kid get the car in the end?

And actually, would it not have worked out (sort of) monetarily for the dealer either way? Ok, he doesn't get all the customers carrying all the different coupons but mathematically, he would've knocked off the amount for those coupons when totalled up together if used by different customers as he would've if he had to cut one big bonus for one customer holding many coupons. (those coupons wouldn't be used again)

30 posted on 11/03/2003 4:34:11 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: pageonetoo
The teacher also could have unplugged the machine.
31 posted on 11/03/2003 4:39:09 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Prodigal Son
Yes, He got the car.
32 posted on 11/03/2003 4:42:05 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: texas booster
"Heck, I might not get in a good college or get a good job because on my permanent record it will say that when I was a kid, I stole."

I've hired a lot of people, and never once did I try to find out what was in the permanent school record of someone when they were 12 years old.

33 posted on 11/03/2003 4:49:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: big ern
I almost feel bad except the guy running the machines was sticking it to us for 6 months on the other side of the base in a different class where the machine would only take bills and wouldn't dispense any change.

How often did you use this machine?

34 posted on 11/03/2003 5:01:34 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Instead of keeping all of them, I just took two, and gave the rest to some friends after they finished track-and-field practice.

Good. Because keeping them all wouldn't be right.

35 posted on 11/03/2003 5:03:15 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: pageonetoo
If I get two from a machine, the vendor will surely not go broke.

Really? How do you figure that?

36 posted on 11/03/2003 5:05:06 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: pageonetoo
The next time I buy a car I will insist the dealer give me two because surely, he won't go broke.
37 posted on 11/03/2003 5:10:32 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
The vendor will not go broke because he has ripped ME off more than enough to compensate for it.
38 posted on 11/03/2003 5:19:09 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Prodigal Son
It wouldn't work for the dealer because the $500 savings, when used one at a time, isn't real. The initial price is just inflated $500. It's like the "cash back" deals on new automobiles. There is no savings. They inflate the price three grand, give us three grand cash back, (but there is no cash, it just goes towards the purchase price) and some people think they have really scored something.
39 posted on 11/03/2003 5:25:19 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: VMI70
i love the fact that libs love moral relativity,till they say its wrong and then they are AGHAST that you would do something wrong,and a perfect example is burning music cd's off the internet....
40 posted on 11/03/2003 5:51:32 PM PST by fishbabe
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To: Joe Marine 76
Ya' know a great lesson my son had when he was 9 years old was when a Grocery clerk gave me too much change ($20)...We got out to the parking lot and I recounted since I was in a hurry....When I recounted and saw the extra $20, he looked at me peplexed. We slowly turned around and walked back to give the clerk his money back....

The clerk was floored and told us how he would have been fired had his register been short plus his final pay docked....

Lesson learned by action not words....

NeverGore
41 posted on 11/03/2003 6:00:53 PM PST by nevergore (Please return your seat trays and seat backs to their full and upright position....)
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To: nevergore
I'm with you.

I owe Wal-Mart for a quart of whipping cream that didn't end up on the receipt. I've been too sick to go back to Wal-mart since, but they WILL get their money when I do go.

It DOES matter what we do about the little things.
42 posted on 11/03/2003 6:15:13 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: Bob J
"The next time I buy a car I will insist the dealer give me two because surely, he won't go broke. "

I hope you pull it off, but it really isn't the same thing... you would have to deal with people....

There was a MECHANICAL error which allowed him to receive 2 sodas. If the vendor goes broke from losing a few cans of soda due to his machine's error, it is his fault, not the recipient. He should have purchased better equipment, or performed better maintainance.

The kid PAID the requested money, the machine gave him two sodas. Just because he repeats the act, and gets the same result, he should not be punished for stealing, or any other action!

Business accepts loss as part of the cost of doing business. A certain amount is allowed for, in most business plans. Therefore, I posit that it is not the kids responsibility for any losses from the vendors machine. He just wanted a soda, AND EVIDENTLY PAID FOR IT.
43 posted on 11/03/2003 6:29:13 PM PST by pageonetoo (In God I trust, not the g'umt!)
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To: pageonetoo
Nice segue off topic.

I agree the vendor must accept the loss due to the malfunction of his machine. If he chooses to do business without human oversite than he accepts the consequences.

I took exception to your comment that it was okay because the vendor wouldn't go broke. First, you have no idea what the consequences would be (one here said the route driver had to make good).

Second, your response is similar to saying let the rich pay all the taxes, they can afford it. Fair is fair and using class envy as a rationalization for personal moral lapses is so, well, democratlike.

44 posted on 11/03/2003 7:06:13 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: pageonetoo
Business accepts loss as part of the cost of doing business. A certain amount is allowed for, in most business plans.

Not exactly. Business' expect losses in the form of inventory shrinkage because they expect some people to be dishonest. That doesn't make stealing a virtue.

45 posted on 11/03/2003 7:08:22 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
Losses come in other ways than shrinkage.
Suppose a can gets punctured. Suppose a vending machine gives out too much product. No difference in the result, just the cause.
Nobody said this was a virtuous young man, just that he broke no rules, IMO.
He did disobey the teacher, though. So, I guess he is a sorry piece of human detritous, after all. Why don't we just hang him and get it over with.
46 posted on 11/03/2003 7:18:24 PM PST by pageonetoo (In God I trust, not the g'umt!)
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To: pageonetoo
I was talking only about you, not the kid.
47 posted on 11/03/2003 7:21:49 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: pageonetoo
BTW - Sorry I wailed on you like that, you seem like a good person and a fine conservative. Truce?
48 posted on 11/03/2003 7:22:38 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
No harm, no foul, and no points taken away. Debate should always cause passion to arise, and make the blood boil. If there is no passion for truth, or virtue, then we are lost, indeed.
I just sit here and marvel at the amount of hate spouted, and other despicable acts perpetuated in the name of "conservatism" on this site. There seems to be no tolerance.

BTW, I picked up a $20 in the parking lot the other day at costco. I dept it. I used it to take a friend to lunch at the chinese buffet near home. It was good.

I guess I should have gone into the store and had them page the owner. I didn't, so I will probably rot in Hell for it. That is what some would say, anyway! I really don't think so.
49 posted on 11/03/2003 7:29:43 PM PST by pageonetoo (In God I trust, not the g'umt!)
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To: pageonetoo
Don't blame Free Republic, the anonymity of the internet makes lions out of mice.

Just so you know, I'm always a lion...heheh.
50 posted on 11/03/2003 7:38:36 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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