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Husband in Right to Die Case Moves to Block Parents in New Trial
Tampa Bay Online ^ | Nov 3, 2003 | A P

Posted on 11/03/2003 6:08:39 PM PST by sweetliberty

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To: Concerned
Your personal story is touching. Thanks for sharing.
241 posted on 11/04/2003 5:49:26 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Legerdemain
the godsquad is out spinning

It's God's squad :')

242 posted on 11/04/2003 5:51:43 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: CindyDawg
God's squad

whatever...i used a lower case g as the christian god is no different to the greek gods to me....thus small g. Betcha you try to flame me for not believing in your god

243 posted on 11/04/2003 6:00:48 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: Legerdemain
I supose you grow your own food , have a running stream for water and forage in nature for your eats. OR, perhaps do also rely upon modern technology for your food and water?

Not really much of a difference between you and Terri as I see it.

244 posted on 11/04/2003 6:02:20 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Legerdemain
I don't flame, I pray :')
245 posted on 11/04/2003 6:03:16 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: Deep_6
Your answer should be well thought out. It will tell more about yourself than you may desire.

Well, since nobody else has responded yet, I suppose I may as well.

From my own personal perspective, the things that I find most bothersome about this case are (1) the fact that Michael is not only refusing to provide therapy for Terri (with money that's been allocated for that purpose, mind) but he's also actively trying to prevent anyone else from doing so; (2) the fact that there has not been proper oversight of his guardianship of Terri or her assets.

If Terri had no relatives at all, and had simply been brought into a hospital after having been found at the side of the road, there might be some questions as to the extent to which society (via taxes) should be compelled to provide for her care. Likewise, if all of Terri's living relatives sought to disown her there would be some reasonable questions about the extent to which they should still be required to prepare for her care.

I don't know all the answers. And your questions are perfectly reasonable. Personally, my thinking is that when there is broad consensus regarding the right course of action, that course of action is usually right. This isn't always true--it's possible for twelve jurors to be wrong--but consensus decisions--when they are achievable--are usually correct ones.

In Terri's case, there is presently no consensus. If Terri's parents took Terri in and after a year or two of therapy concluded that she was by now permanently vegetative (whether or not she had been before Michael's mistreatments) then consensus regarding Terri's condition might be achieved. Were such consensus achieved, it would likely be right. But just as people don't get sentenced to death without consensus among jurors, neither should a woman get put to death without consensus among her kin.

246 posted on 11/04/2003 6:04:47 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: CindyDawg
"I don't flame, I pray "

The ultimate flame.

247 posted on 11/04/2003 6:07:33 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Deep_6
Bump and hint:

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer to that one.

Terri was at Rancho level 2 in 1990.

That was the best she ever tested.

After 13 months it is a medical fact that therapy is useless for such vegetative states. Physical therapy may help alleviate some of the contortions the body begins to experience when the mind dies.

Prognosis for level 1 through 3 is terminal, absent extra-ordinary medical efforts...forced feeding ect.




248 posted on 11/04/2003 6:08:30 PM PST by KDD ((Now they can call me names also.))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
What? Are you talking about.....not much difference between me and terri? You must be smoking something...come on share it with the rest of us.
249 posted on 11/04/2003 6:21:37 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: sweetliberty
I don't flame, I pray

fortunately I think and do, not pray(hope)...

250 posted on 11/04/2003 6:22:52 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: Deep_6
Or will you allow her body to starve itself to it's death.

I think this is a very barbaric way to die or "let someone die". It is my opinion that this practice should be outlawed. If she is deamed to be brain dead (which no one has said so far) then her parents should be able to end her life by a more humane mechanism.

251 posted on 11/04/2003 6:24:02 PM PST by blueriver
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To: KDD
No name calling. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

To me, Terri's prognosis for recovery should not be an issue here though. She is a living, breathing human being with no written will. She is not in a coma but severly disabled. She can feel pain. She has a right to food and water. Any recovery icing on the cake. We don't dehydrate or starve babies. Prisoners are force fed if they go on a hunger strike. We wouldn't think of starving an animal in this country, so why is it ok for Terri?

252 posted on 11/04/2003 6:30:31 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: Legerdemain
How sad, but remember that as long as there is life there is hope.
253 posted on 11/04/2003 6:33:27 PM PST by CindyDawg (all the above is JUZ my opinion)
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To: CindyDawg
How sad, but remember that as long as there is life there is hope Again, take out the feeding tubes and see if she can live...at this time you are force feeding her. Heck, send in the godsquad to pray when they do it..maybe a miracle will happen and she will live a happy productive life... Come on, this is a shell of a body only..
254 posted on 11/04/2003 6:38:44 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: Legerdemain
How sad, but remember that as long as there is life there is hope Again, take out the feeding tubes and see if she can live...at this time you are force feeding her. Heck, send in the godsquad to pray when they do it..maybe a miracle will happen and she will live a happy productive life... Come on, this is a shell of a body only.

I have an idea... how about we deny you oral sustenance and also deny you a feeding tube, and see how long you live?

255 posted on 11/04/2003 6:40:29 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Legerdemain
So why don't we, maybe, get an independent doctor to examine her?

Oh. That's right.

MS doesn't want ANY independent exams. (He's afraid of what they'll find out.)
256 posted on 11/04/2003 6:40:52 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: livius
Does she have a life insurance policy? If so, how much?
257 posted on 11/04/2003 6:41:36 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: supercat
Thank you for a reply.

Re:
"Michael is not only refusing to provide therapy for Terri";
"actively trying to prevent anyone else from doing so"

That is strictly hearsay and not factual. It had been deemed
that no therapy will help, since Terri does not now have,
or will ever have, the mental ability to respond.

Re:
"If Terri had no relatives at all,"

The court would make the decision based on medical
diagnosis/prognosis.

Re:
"If Terri's parents took Terri in and after a year or two of therapy"

Terri has been in the same medical condition as she was at the onset
13 years ago, with exception to her brain in it's shrinking condition.
You are suggesting to extend her life support a few more years
just for her family's sake and peace of mind? The family has had
13 years of watching Terri. They could have taken any legal step
they desired, to gain guardianship. Instead, they chose to fight a
battle each time the decision was made to accept her proxy-plea
to have the support removed.

Is it really fair now, to extend the time beyond the 13 years the
family's already had? Should Terri be kept in limbo as long as
anyone dictates?

It certainly does not harm me; I lose nothing either way.

What can harm me, you and everyone else, is the reversing of a
court's decision after-the-fact, by a legislative process signed
into law by the executive branch.

That....... Is a trampling of the separation of power; It is
unconstitutional.

And it will erode rights and freedom, if it is allowed to remain
as a precedent.

Thanks again for your indulgence and reading. I do appreciate
your comments, as I'm sure all here do..

 

258 posted on 11/04/2003 6:41:39 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: CindyDawg
Peg feeding tubes are artificial life support devices.

If Terri, like many Americans did not wish to remain on artificial life support in the event of loss of cognitive abilities, then Terri's "supporters are doing her a grave injustice.

They should ask themselves...

Would I want to live like that?
259 posted on 11/04/2003 6:42:54 PM PST by KDD (unreasoned dogma is dangerous)
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To: supercat
I have an idea... how about we deny you oral sustenance and also deny you a feeding tube, and see how long you live

ah, and there is the rub, deny me a feeding tube and I can still eat. Let's give her substenace without a tube and see if she eats...if not, it is time to let the body die...geesh.....it does not take a rocket scientist in this situation........

260 posted on 11/04/2003 6:51:13 PM PST by Legerdemain
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