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German general dismissed for praising anti-Semitism
AP/The Jerusalem Post ^ | 4 November 2003 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 11/04/2003 12:11:09 PM PST by anotherview

Nov. 4, 2003
German general dismissed for praising anti-Semitism
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
BERLIN

Germany's defense minister on Tuesday dismissed the head of the country's elite special forces after the general praised a conservative lawmaker under investigation for alleged anti-Semitic remarks.

Brig. Gen. Reinhard Guenzel, the commander of Germany's special forces since 2000 and a 40-year veteran of the armed forces, was fired after writing a letter to lawmaker Martin Hohmann, praising his "courage" for a speech that drew criticism from across the political spectrum and legal action from Jewish leaders.

"It was an excellent speech, of a courage, truth and clarity, which one seldom hears or reads in our country," wrote Guenzel, 59.

Defense Minister Peter Struck said the general's "unacceptable" remarks had tarnished the Germany military's reputation, but he insisted they were an "isolated case" and did not reflect widely held opinions among the soldiers.

"I have decided to relieve him of his command and to dismiss him. With that, the case is closed for me," Struck said. "What we are talking about here is one muddled general."

The special forces, created in the 1990s after German reunification, have seen duty in Afghanistan as part of Germany's contribution to the U.S.-led war on terrorism after the Sept. 11 attacks. Its troops took part in last year's U.S.-led Operation Anaconda to rout Taliban and al-Qaida holdouts in the mountains of Afghanistan's eastern Paktia province.

Prosecutors in the central city of Fulda placed Hohmann under investigation Monday to examine whether he could face criminal charges of incitement, slander and disparaging the dead for his comments in an Oct. 3 speech marking German Unity Day.

Paul Spiegel, the leader of Germany's Jewish community, told WDR public radio the remarks were "the worst case of anti-Semitism that I have experienced in the last decade."

Citing an allegedly prominent role of Jews in the 1917 communist revolution in Russia, Hohmann suggested in his speech that their actions were comparable to those of the Nazis. He claimed that Germans were still being victimized for the Nazi past.

"With a certain justification, one could ask in view of the millions killed in the first phase of the revolution about the 'guilt' of the Jews," Hohmann said. He said "it would follow the same logic with which the Germans are described as a guilty people."

Hohmann, 55, on Saturday apologized for the comments under pressure from his Christian Democratic Union, the main opposition party formerly led by ex-chancellor Helmut Kohl.

Party leaders publicly reprimanded him. But Spiegel, in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, urged them to go farther and force him out of the party.

"I find it commendable how the armed forces reacted. In my opinion the Christian Democrats should take an example from them in how to deal with their own horrible incident," Spiegel said.

Hohmann refused to comment Tuesday on his way into a party meeting in Berlin.

Guenzel's letter was read by Hohmann read to ZDF television and later confirmed by the Defense Ministry as authentic.

"Even if all of those who agree with this view or clearly articulate it are immediately lumped with the far right ... you can be certain that you clearly speak for the majority if our people," Guenzel wrote.

"I hope that you will not let yourself be deflected by these aspersions that come largely from the left and will continue courageously to stay your course."

Known in German as Kommando Spezialkraefte, the special forces are closely identified with Germany's willingness to take on greater responsibility on the world stage after the end of the Cold War.

The Defense Ministry said Guenzel was in Germany but unavailable for comment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; germany; guenzel; muddledgeneral; paulspiegel; peterstruck; reinhardguenzel; struck
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A frightening trend in Europe in general and in Germany in particular is the rise in anti-Semitism, both in the population and in the halls of government.
1 posted on 11/04/2003 12:11:16 PM PST by anotherview
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To: anotherview
German general dismissed for praising anti-Semitism.

Buh bye, good riddance, and all that good stuff. :)

2 posted on 11/04/2003 12:20:11 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: anotherview
No, the opposite is true. The reactions across Germany during this affair have proven that there is no room for anti-semitism. Even if you´re ´just´ a Brigadier General.
Being dismissed within hours, that´s impressive.
3 posted on 11/04/2003 12:24:15 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: anotherview
If I'm reading correctly the statement by Hohmann [what a last name!], he just said that we should not blame the ethnicity of individuals for the stupid choices humans make.

In other words, many Germans made a stupid choice by supporting Nazism, the same way that many Jews made a stupid choice by supporting Bolshevism.

To always assume that ethnic Germans are somehow "guilty" of Nazism or ethnic Jews are somewhat "guilty" of Bolshevism is inaccurate.

Am I misreading Hohmann's statement?

4 posted on 11/04/2003 12:32:26 PM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe
If he was a FRENCH general they probably would have made him President!
6 posted on 11/04/2003 12:41:09 PM PST by disgruntledinCa
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To: george wythe
Yes, I think you are misreading his statement. Didn't he call Jews a "national of perpetrators" and blame Jewish people for deaths in the Russian Revolution? Pretty much the whole world, including many Germans in his own party, condemned it as anti-Semitism.
7 posted on 11/04/2003 12:46:06 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: disgruntledinCa
Why would the Germans make a French general President?

Only joking. Oh, and yes, anti-Semitism seems worse in France, but none of Europe seems quite immune right now.
8 posted on 11/04/2003 12:47:07 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: seamole
Yep, and CNN lauds his legacy.
9 posted on 11/04/2003 12:47:37 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: anotherview
The first pont I saw about this on FR:
Hohmann, a member of parliament since 1998, responded Friday with a terse statement. ``It was and is not my intention to hurt feelings,'' he said. ``I am calling neither Jews nor Germans a people of perpetrators.''

In the speech in his hometown of Neuhof, Hohmann argued that Germans still labor under the burden of Nazi crimes but other nations with bloody pasts cast themselves as ``innocent lambs.'' He cited the French revolution and the prominent role of Jews in the 1917 communist revolution in Russia.

``With a certain justification, one could ask in the light of the millions killed in the first phase of the revolution about the 'guilt' of the Jews,'' Hohmann said, according to a copy of the speech obtained by The Associated Press.

He said ``it would follow the same logic with which the Germans are described as a guilty people.'' He concluded that the point was not to blame the Germans for Nazi crimes or Jews for those of the Bolsheviks, but rather ``the godless with their godless ideologies.''


10 posted on 11/04/2003 12:56:06 PM PST by george wythe
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To: seamole
And what will the NYT misinform about tomorrow? ;)
11 posted on 11/04/2003 1:11:36 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Our government should take the same action with the one sided "Arabists" in the State Department.
12 posted on 11/04/2003 1:40:32 PM PST by Napoleon Solo
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To: Michael81Dus
Given the following summary of Hohmann's words from Fox News, please demonstrate how they are anti-Semitic. Alternately, prove that the following is an inaccurate summary.

Hohmann argued that Germans still labor under the burden of Nazi crimes, but other nations with bloody pasts cast themselves as "innocent lambs." He cited the French revolution and the prominent role of Jews in the 1917 communist revolution in Russia.

"With a certain justification, one could ask in view of the millions killed in the first phase of the revolution about the 'guilt' of the Jews," Hohmann said.

He said "it would follow the same logic with which the Germans are described as a guilty people." He concluded that the point was not to blame the Germans for Nazi crimes or Jews for those of the Bolsheviks, but rather "the godless with their godless ideologies."

13 posted on 11/04/2003 1:42:33 PM PST by ExpandNATO
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To: george wythe
English-language weblogs referencing Hohmann's speech.

http://cumgranosalis.blogspot.com/2003_10_26_cumgranosalis_archive.html#106757510293390048

http://www.papascott.de/2003/10/31/2674.php

http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/archives/001187.html#001187

Not reported in any of the above weblogs is the fact that Hohmann as a member of the German parliament made an official inquiry to the givernment, requesting that German reparation payments to Holocaust survivors (there aren't that many left, they are mostly in their 80s and 90s) be reduced to take into account Germany's budget difficulties.

In the meantime, a brigadier general has been fired for having written a letter to Hohmann expressing gushing admiration for the speech.
14 posted on 11/04/2003 1:43:47 PM PST by tictoc
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To: Napoleon Solo
He he he, sorry, but I cannot comment that. Due to my "don´t interfere"-policy, I´m not going to discuss internal affairs of the US.

Good afternoon to the States,

Michael
15 posted on 11/04/2003 1:43:48 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: ExpandNATO
:-) I knew someone would bring it up.
Well, it caused an outrage here, simply, because it is a taboo in Germany to compare Jews to Nazis. By doing that, Hohmann (and the General who praised him) slapped into the face of the victims of the Nazi era. The Central Jewish Council in Germany even wants MP Hohmann to resign for it. I think this would be exaggerated.
16 posted on 11/04/2003 1:48:14 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: anotherview
bttttttttttttttt
17 posted on 11/04/2003 1:54:45 PM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: ExpandNATO
Given the following summary of Hohmann's words from Fox News, please demonstrate how they are anti-Semitic.

His description of Jews as Taetervolk, a race of perpetrators, places a burden of guilt on me, an American Jew (if you prefer on my parents and grandparents who lived in America at the time of the revolution). It's equivalent to branding Catholics as Taetervolk, responsible for WWII, because Hitler was baptised. His very comment later attributing these events to the “godless with their godless ideologies” would seemingly contradict his first premise. Neither would have any bearing on Germans of the 1930s and 1940s.

18 posted on 11/04/2003 1:56:44 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Michael81Dus
Spare me the silly taboo business and get to demonstrating that what Hohmann said was actually anti-Semitic. Sounds to me like a the Germans are truly enforcing a double standard on themselves. If the Germans are to be held guilty of the Holocaust, then the French should be held guilty of the French Revolution, the Chinese of Mao's mass murders, the Latvians, Russians and Jews of the Communist revolution and so on.

Personally, I think your left-wing government took the opportunity to slap around a right wing MP and revenge themselves on a right-wing general whose unit helped the Americans in Afghanistan

19 posted on 11/04/2003 2:04:35 PM PST by ExpandNATO
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To: SJackson
From the summary which you obviously did not read.

He concluded that the point was not to blame the Germans for Nazi crimes or Jews for those of the Bolsheviks,

Therefore there was no description of Jews as "Taetervolk," except to refute it.

20 posted on 11/04/2003 2:07:43 PM PST by ExpandNATO
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