[k2fourever]

I disagree. Although its becoming more difficult to reach the upper echelon of society without a degree, it is not impossible. My grandfather and his brothers, after WWII began a construction company, worked their tails off, and are now very comfortable. Not to mention their company is still running strong, employing thousands of Americans. My father also made himself what he is today. After graduating from High School, worked and saved and invested his money, without support from his family. He is now a very sucessful real estate developer. My older brother failed out of a state college, decided to go to work, and is now making a very good amount of money, again, without the help of my parents. The American Dream is still alive and strong, but only if people aren't afraid to roll up their sleeves and do some work.

[Red Boots]

You are so right. I know so many tradesmen who never went to college, in fact, were totally ignored by the "smart people", who would probably have been voted "most likely NOT to suceed", who have built fine businesses all by themselves, through hard work, determination and sheer courage. I am lucky enough to have been married to one for 23 years. When we met ( I was 17, he was 19 ), he drove a delivery truck. Today, he owns and runs a highly technical construction company and is very sucessful. Sometimes in the office, we look at each other and laugh," Pretty good for a couple of dumb-f**ks!"