Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Assassination

Newsmax ^ | 11/19/2003 | Phil Brennan

[HitmanLV]

I agree - I'm in normal physical health and tossing a gun behind some boxes and going down 4 flights of stairs to a soda machine in 80 seconds doesn't sound too hard to me.

[Havoc]

I understand. You also have doctored pictures covering an exit wound in the back of the head. Photographic evidence can be and was forged. Am I supposed to blanche and say "oh my, a photograph that shows something other than the testimony on hand?" Gee, let me just rethink all this. I must have missed something lol.

[HitmanLV]

A waiting car isn't necessarily a conspiracy. I hop into a waiting car every day - I open the door, get in the drivers seat, charge the ignition, and drive away.

It's waiting there for me, isn't it? ;)

[fatima]

Havoc,I am reading "Blood,Money and Power" right now.Sorry I have not had time to read all the threads.What do you think of the book? ,

[Havoc]

BTW, I found these. And that looks like Oswald to me. No Billy..

[Havoc]

I haven't read it yet. I'm interested; but, still reading Rudy's book ;)

[fatima]

Rudy's book?Tell me more if you have time about that.I am 1/3 into the one by Barr McClellan.I am a speed reader but slow down for important parts,he is dragging.

[Shooter 2.5]

You can't be much of an artist if you can't identify a person who swore under oath that he stood in a doorway surrounded by friends and co-workers.

[Bigun]

Marker Bump!

[Shooter 2.5]

Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.

[asformeandformyhouse]

Show us a link.
~None~ of the re-creations have ever duplicated the sequence of shots as per the WR's single shooter, single bullet theory.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dealey.htm

Look for "Could Oswald Have Gotten the Shots Off?"

I have never heard of a 'single bullet' theory. Oswald shot 3 times. I have heard much concerning the 'magic bullet' theory, but this has (IMO) been successfully refuted. Again I recommend the book "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. I believe he successfully shows that Oswald was the lone shooter. Who might be behind the assassiniation is another matter. I do believe there are many unanswered questions on this point.

[RinaseaofDs]

Have you actually tried to do this in real life? You had to figure that shooters would somewhere try to replicate the Oswald scenario to see if it can be done.

I think its fascinating, actually. I've had collegues try something approximating an Oswald shoot, and they say you can't have the speed and accuracy both without the right rifle.

Even snipers have spotters in most cases.

[RinaseaofDs]

You're indicating that LBJ might have had motive. Boy, Nixon sure knew of where he spoke after the whole Checkers thing.

[asformeandformyhouse]

Show us a link.
~None~ of the re-creations have ever duplicated the sequence of shots as per the WR's single shooter, single bullet theory.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dealey.htm

Look for "Could Oswald Have Gotten the Shots Off?"

I have never heard of a 'single bullet' theory. Oswald shot 3 times. I have heard much concerning the 'magic bullet' theory, but this has (IMO) been successfully refuted. Again I recommend the book "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. I believe he successfully shows that Oswald was the lone shooter. Who might be behind the assassiniation is another matter. I do believe there are many unanswered questions on this point.

[RinaseaofDs]

I'm not going to comment about your skill and talents. I believe you are as good as you say you are.

But there are so many other things involved with the shooting that Oswald is purported to have done.

Forget about the tree, the angle, the speed, the reracking of rounds, the moving target, the size of the target, etc.

There is also the pressure of having to make an attempt on the President. There is the pressure of realizing that firing three times from the same place is going to allow people to triangulate on the source, and likely catch you doing the deed and going to jail forever.

Shooting skeet with a pistol in a standing position is good. Now try it while someone else has a pistol aimed at your head - realizing that if you miss, the guy holding the gun on you will kill you. Now you have a roughly equivalent scenario.

Do you see what I'm saying now? It isn't just the shot, its also the pressure. Do we reasonably believe that an amateur like Oswald with an axe to grind could pull of the job of a veteran sniper assassin?

I'd be very curious to read or watch a documentary on the shot as described by professional Marine snipers. I know that once that first shot is fired, everything changes for the second shot, and after the second, the situation completely changes for the third, etc.

If the shooting were done by one person, then they were extraordinary.

[Shooter 2.5]

Figure it out for yourself. It was:

The first shot starts the clock, then a reload, fire, reload and fire in 8.1 seconds. A 6.5 161 grain Carcano doesn't much of a recoil. Oswald put together a strap so he could use it as a rifle sling.

I haven't tried it with a Carcano but I have shot an 8MM Mauser pretty fast.

I think the main problem is people today don't know anything about firearms. They think a 100 yard shot is an impossible occurance. The shots were at 44 and 88 yards.

My standard slow fire shots with a handgun are at claybirds at 65 yards away standing up.

[Shooter 2.5]

The claybirds lay on a dirt bank 65 yards away. We do use a thrower so we don't have to walk down there. Sorry for the confusion.

Oswald already had a little practice in trying to kill someone. He took the shots at General Walker.

I don't think a multiple killer like Oswald had any problem like a normal person would. He also missed on the first shot for an unknown reason. As far as how good he was, there are multiple incidences where the killers didn't think anything of doing the deed or getting caught.

The pathetic little loser was going to have his shining moment.

[Darnright]

>But not a fellow democrat. Mercy be. Why would Ford and the Warren commission cover for Johnson?

Think back to what the assasination by itself did to the psyche of the country. Tying Kennedy's murder to the VP, who automatically assumed the office of President, would have been an unimaginable blow to the US, literally unthinkable.

[Swordmaker]

Good find! Thanks!

[Havoc]

You can't be much of an artist if you can't identify a person who swore under oath that he stood in a doorway surrounded by friends and co-workers.

Have you read what you just said in the context of the conversation ongoing? Whether he testified or not has nothing to do whatever with how he looks. The only picture I've ever seen of him up till now was a profile shown in color and it was hazy and looked nothing like Oswald. And Btw, national award winner here. People knowing their craft seems to be no obstacle to cover up though.