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Home-field advantage:Should homeschool kids be able to participate in public-school activities?
World Magazine ^ | dec 6, 2003 | By Lynn Vincent

Posted on 11/29/2003 7:08:38 PM PST by RaceBannon

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Home-field advantage

EDUCATION: Should homeschool kids be able to participate in public-school activities? The issue divides even homeschoolers By Lynn Vincent

DANIEL RODRIGUEZ USED TO wrestle and play basketball. Now his friends play for Solanco High School while Daniel, an 11th-grader, watches from the sidelines. Daniel isn't injured. He's homeschooled. And the Pennsylvania public-school district where he lives bars homeschoolers from its sports programs.

Pennsylvania ninth-grader Ryan Crider is also homeschooled. But he made the Penn Manor Junior High football team in seventh grade after that district opened sports to homeschoolers. Now Ryan plans to try out for the varsity basketball squad as well.

Daniel and Ryan exist on two sides of an educational divide: whether homeschoolers should be able to participate in public-school activities. In some states, government schools have thrown open their doors to home-taught kids who want to take classes or to participate in activities like sports and music; others have slammed them shut. At issue are three main types of public-school offerings: academic or "curricular" (particularly advanced math and sciences); extracurricular (such as band or choir); and interscholastic (mostly competitive sports).

Laws in 16 states allow homeschoolers "equal access" to one or more of these types of activities (see chart). Six states bar home-educated students from participating in one or more types. Such prohibitions have usually arisen from litigation in which a private-school or homeschool family was denied equal access, then sued.

In 1998, for example, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower federal court ruling against Annie Swanson, a homeschooled Oklahoma seventh-grader who, with her parents, sued the Guthrie Independent School District to gain part-time enrollment in district music, science, and foreign-language classes. In 1996, a New York court ruled against a homeschool student who wanted to participate in interscholastic sports.

In states with neither legislation nor case law addressing equal access, the question is usually left up to individual school districts or private associations. According to the Home School Legal Defense Association, most states have private associations that hold sway over public-school interscholastic activities. Many such groups have by-laws that prohibit schools from allowing non-full-time students to participate. If a school violates those rules, an association can boot the school out of the league or make its teams forfeit games.

The debate over homeschool participation in public-school activities is more than a fight over laws and rules. Homeschool families themselves are philosophically divided. Those who favor equal access believe it is unfair to bar home-educated kids from public-school programs, since their tax dollars help foot the bill.

"Homeschool families pay millions of dollars a year in school taxes," said Tim Lambert of the Texas Home School Coalition (THSC). "They should not be denied the ability to voluntarily take advantage of the resources of a public school simply because they have made an alternative educational choice."

Homeschoolers who favor equal access also say mixing home-educated students with those in public schools tears down stereotypes. "I think one of the surprise benefits for both sides is that each becomes less 'suspicious' of the other," said Susan Richman of Pennsylvania Homeschoolers. "School folks realize that at least some homeschoolers are really nice, hardworking kids, ready to really give to a sports team, school orchestra, or drama production. The homeschoolers start realizing that not all [public] school kids are on drugs or pregnant.... Some barriers are broken down."

Parents who oppose equal access argue that entangling their students with government schools will invite increased government regulation of homeschooling overall.

"To participate in any government-sponsored program invites an authority that doesn't belong to [government]," said Susan Stewart, a California mom who homeschooled three children between 1981 and 2000. "As more private and home-educated students take part, more accountability for those students will be required.... The argument will then be that these regulations will only apply to those participating in government school activities. But ... our government doesn't work that way. Once the camel's nose is under the tent, he will continue on in."

Parents and groups opposed to equal access also worry that any marriage between homeschoolers and government could choke out innovation such as the homeschool sports and extracurricular clubs that have sprung up to fill the activities void. The 13-year-old National Christian Homeschool Basketball Championship tournament, for example, drew more than 200 teams from 25 states in 2003. The National Christian Forensics and Communications Association sponsors speech contests and debates nationally.

But some homeschoolers have no access to local programs that fit their child's gifts and interests. That was the case with the Lymans, a homeschool family in Amherst, Mass. Wid and Isabel Lyman homeschooled their son Daniel, now 20. Wid Jr., now a senior, is also homeschooled.

When Daniel reached high school, he wanted to play football. But in Amherst, what Mrs. Lyman calls a "quintessential New England liberal college town," there are few homeschoolers. With no opportunity to form a league of their own, the Lymans, "without enthusiasm," allowed Daniel to play on a local high-school football team. Daniel excelled, went on to play high-school lacrosse and ice hockey, and ultimately became the only student—homeschooled or not—to play every contact sport offered at the school.

On the downside, said Mrs. Lyman, he spent a lot of time mixing with teens brought up in an aggressively liberal academic environment: "Danny was smart and not easily intimidated.... He could hold his own, but certainly was very intrigued by public-school culture."

What Daniel really lacked, the Lymans realized, was camaraderie with young Christian men. That's why they chose a different route for their younger son, Wid. On a vacation several years ago, the Lymans passed through Bozeman, Mont., and liked the feel of the town. They later learned that Montana—a state that prohibits homeschool participation in public-school sports—has a vigorous homeschool sports community. Now, in an unusual arrangement, the Lymans organize their work schedules so that the family can spend winters in Montana, where Wid plays ice hockey for a privately run team and basketball for a homeschool league.

Though their younger son has flourished in Montana homeschool sports, Mrs. Lyman said the scarcity in Amherst of sports alternatives for Daniel has made her "a lot more sensitive to homeschoolers who have teen boys looking for outlets. If you live in a community where there aren't a lot of homeschool sports, you're kind of in a bind." Mrs. Lyman believes home educators must handle the issue on a case-by-case basis, according to the gifts and temperaments of their children.

Some state legislatures are considering bills that would remove school districts' case-by-case discretion. HB 214, a Texas bill that would have granted homeschoolers full equal access, died in the House after the Texas education department complained about its fiscal impact. The department's estimate was far too high, said THSC's Tim Lambert, adding that the legislature may reconsider HB 214 in an upcoming special session.

In Pennsylvania, a bill that would require public-school districts to allow homeschoolers to join in activities "including but not limited to clubs, musical ensembles, sports, and theatrical productions" passed the House and is now under consideration in the Senate education committee.

That means Daniel Rodriguez may yet get a chance to play Solanco High School basketball with his friends. "They think it's dumb that I can't [play]," Daniel said. "I hope it changes."

—with reporting by Bethany Toews


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
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To: Lunatic Fringe
>>>> If this were a kid in a public high school who insisted on playing sports for another high school with a better football-wrestling-baseball-etc team, should he then be permitted to participate just because the parents' property taxes go to the other school? <<<<

In WI. We have this... It's called School Choice. But you Tax dollars stay at your home districts school.
41 posted on 11/30/2003 12:01:49 AM PST by quietolong
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To: Gabz; RaceBannon
The reason private school kids can't participate in public school sports is probably the same reason public school kids usually can't go "team shopping" - administrators don't want to have a situation in which one school can recruit all the best athletes. I've heard complaints (don't know if they are true or not) about private schools trying to recruit football players from public schools. I assume the high tuition is a deterent to such recruitment in that case; it wouldn't be for a public school.

The same rationale does not exist for barring homeschoolers, though, as long as they are required to participate only in their own district. That is the case in my state, Idaho. If you homeschool, your kids can only participate in extra-curricular activities in your own district. We pay taxes in this district like everyone else. The regs. of the state school athleteic association also prohibit private schools from allowing homeschool kids tdo participate in sports if they are not full time students, so they can't be recruited by private schools.

In our case, and I assume most others, there is no alternative for homeschool kids of high school and jr. high age to participate in a sport like football EXCEPT public schools. We pay for it like everyone else. Why should we be kept from receiving the benefit that everyone else - including a lot of people who don't pay taxes - receives?

42 posted on 11/30/2003 6:24:18 AM PST by bigcat00
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To: GOPrincess; Alberta's Child
GOPrincess is right. Everyone picks and chooses anyway. Not everygbody takes AP English or auto shop. In a high school of any size, students have a lot of choices, called "electives" for a reason.

We used to live in another state, and the school district in which we resided hired a person to help coordinate group activities for home schoolers. The coordinator was also a home schooler. They let us use school facilities and resources for group classes, plays, etc. It helped the school district (they got money every time a homeschooler set foot on school property) and the homeschoolers, and helped both sides understand each other. I'm not sure why anyone would disapprove of such an arrangement.
43 posted on 11/30/2003 6:32:59 AM PST by bigcat00
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To: RaceBannon
If property taxes are being paid, directly or indirectly to the not-so-independent school district, then absolutely the kids should be able to utilize any, all, or none of the programs available from the district.
44 posted on 11/30/2003 6:36:59 AM PST by lodwick ( Wake up, America)
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To: RaceBannon
Regarding property taxes and the like. I live on the end of a dead end road and am always the last to have road work, plowing etc. done. I understand why as we are not a well traveled road, but I go through the same thing every winter where I have to call the county to get them to plow my road.

Have to inform them that even though we are on a road that isn't used much outside of the people on it, I still pay full taxes. I don't get a break for living on a road that isn't used much.

45 posted on 11/30/2003 6:43:09 AM PST by Mean Daddy
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To: RaceBannon
bttt
46 posted on 11/30/2003 6:50:08 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Why shouldn't he? LOL

It is my understanding that if you are going to 'opt-in' to a Govt school program you have to participate in the school that you would attend if you were in PS, or any private or Christian school of choice. That could be different from state to state.
47 posted on 11/30/2003 6:53:34 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Conservateacher
I'm not sure how minor the scholarship issue is. I know a homeschool family with 5 children, so far the oldest 4 have received scholarships....football, academic, and music.
48 posted on 11/30/2003 6:55:33 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Lunatic Fringe
LOL

and where did you get this information from?

The student is not subject to GPA requirements, the burden of carrying elective classes which requires more time and academic commitment, nor is he subject to school district rules

Texas has the least restrictions on homeschoolers of any state. Most states require the same standards of homeschool students for high school graduation. Besides, in general, homeschoolers score a lot higher than the gov't school kids so me thinks you have a weak argument.

49 posted on 11/30/2003 6:58:53 AM PST by tutstar
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To: TheOtherOne
Why shouldn't he?
50 posted on 11/30/2003 7:03:48 AM PST by tutstar
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To: luckystarmom
In FL that is different. You can get services for special needs if you homeschool.
51 posted on 11/30/2003 7:06:32 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Alberta's Child
There are lots of kids in Gov't school who still need a hired tutor to get a good grade. Why should parents of GS kids have to hire a tutor when they're already paying taxes?
52 posted on 11/30/2003 7:09:00 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Alberta's Child
There are lots of kids in Gov't school who still need a hired tutor to get a good grade. Why should parents of GS kids have to hire a tutor when they're already paying taxes?
53 posted on 11/30/2003 7:09:24 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
That's an idea. Have town teams open to anyone -- homeschoolers, private school kids, and public school kids.
54 posted on 11/30/2003 7:12:42 AM PST by ladylib
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To: luckystarmom
They do in my state. It took a court case, but it was ruled that the state has to provide the same services to homeschoolers (and private schools) whether the public schools liked it or not, and believe me, they do not like the ruling.

Public schools are under no obligation to permit homeschoolers to participate in classes or sports, however.
55 posted on 11/30/2003 7:19:58 AM PST by ladylib
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Absolutely no!, why represent a school on a sports team, when the athelete does'nt even attend the school????, whats the point of teams representing their schools? If a home schoolers wants to use the facilities fine, but to be allowed on a school team, when not even attending the schools is nonsense!
56 posted on 11/30/2003 7:20:03 AM PST by BOOTSTICK
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To: tutstar
"I'm not sure how minor the scholarship issue is. I know a homeschool family with 5 children, so far the oldest 4 have received scholarships....football, academic, and music."

I was talking about athletic scholarships and they are minor in the sense that they don't happen that often as a percentage of college students. Especially full ride scholarships. That you know some doesn't change this fact.
Besides, what difference does it make if a home schooled student gets a scholarship? Are they less a student athlete then someone in a school?

The idea of excluding them from the school community is one I hear from liberal teachers at my building. What?? They are ed that someone other than them is teaching the kid and that the poor kid isn't socialized. Then an opportunity to "socialize" the student comes about (sports) and they scream like all get out. Libs want it their way or the highway.
57 posted on 11/30/2003 7:32:39 AM PST by Conservateacher
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I would say no- the parents and the child made a decision not to participate in the academic curriculum of the school, why then should he be allowed to participate in the athletic curriculum, and receive the advantages of demonstrating his athletic abilities for of college scouts (which I am certain is a huge factor)?

In my area of Pennsylvania, organized sports at the elementary/middle-chool level are based at the community level, rather than the school level. IE, if you want to play soccer, girl's softball, or boys little league, you join the community team. In the teams are kids from public, private, and home schools. Part of the reason for this arrangement may be the large number of people sending their kids to Catholic schools in my area.

There is no compelling reason to have neighborhood kid sports be attached to public schools

58 posted on 11/30/2003 7:38:00 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: Dan Evans
I don't understand why anyone would want their kid to participate in after school activities. Good for you. I don't understand that thinking either. the after school programs are as bad and unfairly run as the schools themselves. People have been brainwashed into believing that children need other children their own age to be properly "socialized." That thinking is bunk. Children hanging around mature adults will mature. We homeschooled our children. Their friends were people form 10 yrs younger then them to 20 years older. They had fun and enjoyed all. They could converse with adults and with younger children. Becky
59 posted on 11/30/2003 7:41:57 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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Sorry:(

Since it;s not a long post I am not going to repost it.

Becky
60 posted on 11/30/2003 7:44:24 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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