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To: bdeaner
We had also better reexamine entirely the way we use force in the Middle East. We did not drive on to Baghdad in 1991 out of concern for the "coalition" — and got 350,000 sorties in the no-fly zones in return. We chose to worry about rebuilding before the current war ended, and let thousands of Baathist killers fade away, and in the aftermath allowed mass looting and continual killing before our most recent get-tough policy.

In fact, anytime we have showed restraint — using battleship salvos and cruise missiles when our Marines were killed, our embassies blown up, and our diplomats murdered; allowing the killers on the Highway of Death to reach Basra in 1991; letting Saddam use his helicopters to gun down innocents — we have earned disdain, not admiration. In contrast, the hijackers chose not to take the top off the World Trade Center, but to incinerate the entire building — proof that they wished not to send us a message but to kill us all, and to kill us to the applause of millions, if the recent popularity of Osama bin Laden and his henchmen in the Arab street is any indication.

No discussion concerning the survival of Saddam Hussein without mentioning the role of former General Colin Powell's poor advice to President Bush and Bush's ill-advised decision to end the original Gulf War on February 28, 1991--before the surviving core of the defeated Iraqi army (mainly two divisions of the Republican Guard with most of their equipment) could be cut off and destroyed, or captured and disarmed.

Bush made his decision at the forceful behest of General Colin Powell, then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Powell reportedly told Bush and the rest of the White House "High Command" that the remaining Iraqi army was totally defeated and in full retreat and that further attack would be a slaughter, both "UN-AMERICAN and UN-CHIVALROUS".

General Norman Schwarzkopf and his generals were collectively against the premature cease-fire, estimating one to three days more would be needed to cut off and finally trap the Republican Guard survivors (keep in mind we're not talking about going to Baghdad, but only blocking the road from Basra to Baghdad, which the U.S. 24th Mechanized Division and 101st Airborne were poised to do). But unfortunately, Schwarzkopt did not push this view to Bush, to whom he reported directly, a serious error of omission. No more Iraqis needed to have been killed. They had only to hoist a white flag or simply abandon their vehicles and equipment, and walk away. Powell knew all of this.

The Brits were furious about the cease-fire. So were the Saudis, Qataris and other Arab Gulf countries. In fact, Newsweek reported British Gulf commander Gen. Sir Peter de la Billiere went "ballistic" and British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd--who happened to be in Washington--jumped Bush about it immediately, unfortunately to no avail. Had the Guard and it's equipment been finally captured or destroyed, the Shiite rebellion in the South would probably have succeeded. Combined with the simultaneous Kurdish insurrection in the north, it was highly likely that Saddam would have chosen to take a hike and would not be a problem today. Had that happened, thousands of civilian lives would have been spared.

Saddam's survival led to the continued UN sanctions on Iraq. These have grievously persecuted a population that was powerless to overthrow a tyrant that the U.S. allowed to stay in power. Pre-Gulf War, this population greatly admired America and Americans.

5 posted on 12/06/2003 5:57:14 PM PST by Mel Gibson (Colin Powell is living proof that affirmative action is a failure.)
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To: Mel Gibson
No question. Saddam interpreted the First Gulf War as a victory, not a defeat. And he was right.

Powell persuaded Bush I to end the war three days early. For every life that was saved among Saddam's corps of brutal killers, two lives were subsequently lost among the Marsh People and others who unwisely showed their support for us.

These people only hate us more when we try to "help" them. The first order of business is to break the back of the Islamic terrorists. In Iran. In Syria. In Sudan. In Saudi Arabia. And anywhere else where they continue to operate.
9 posted on 12/06/2003 7:15:38 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mel Gibson
"Had the Guard and it's equipment been finally captured or destroyed, the Shiite rebellion in the South would probably have succeeded. Combined with the simultaneous Kurdish insurrection in the north, it was highly likely that Saddam would have chosen to take a hike and would not be a problem today. Had that happened, thousands of civilian lives would have been spared."

This is essentially speculation with little basis in fact. The goal of Op Desert Storm was to kick Iraq out of Kuwait while destroying most of its military equipment. The goal was not to completely destroy the Iraqi army because this would have left Iraq vulnerable to invasion by Iran. The first Bush Administration was hoping that the remaining Iraqi army officers would turn on Saddam and remove him from power. Unfortunately, the army didn't rebel and Saddam stayed in power.

13 posted on 12/06/2003 7:53:40 PM PST by defenderSD (I remember when America was truly free and people believed the Truth.)
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To: Mel Gibson
Without even going into the NWO, one can see that Powell saw the weakness-that Eastern Blue Blood civility which can't quite deal with the really world of killers. Of course, its almost impossible to look at this without asking why the Pouting Powell is still around!?!

Thanks for your effort & the tagline.
28 posted on 12/07/2003 6:33:03 AM PST by GatekeeperBookman ("The War does indeed have many facets; http://aztlan.net/ Look at your enemy." Listen to Tancredo)
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