[rmlew]

I'm a Jewish son and grandson of Holocaust victims. The graveyard where my grandfather is buried was recently defaced with graffitti and stones were broken.
I am quite aware of what religious persecution means.
I am sorry that your ancestors were persecuted. (I presume that they were followers of Joseph Smith?)
None of this matters. I am not calling for all Muslims to be expelled or killed. I want openly militant Islamist (Islamist) groups shut down. I want them expelled or detained and I want to re-evaluate our immigratiojn policy based on the threats to national security adn survival.

You are blinded by your resentment for the mistreatment of your relatives. I am well aware of the phenominon. It is the primary reason for the suicidal social leftism of American Jews.
I guess Mormons respond differently.

[hchutch]

You presume correctly. But I will state VERY clearly that those persecutions happened here, in the United States of America, DESPITE the the First Amendment. DESPITE the natural rights theory. DESPITE you say you want to protect for America. The culture whose loss you decry did NOT protect my ancestors, instead it failed them and allowed the persecution to continue.

Studyign the persecusion of my ancestors did not blind me, it woke me up. I am suspicious about ANYONE who tries to involve government in cultural issues. There are some issues that have to be dealt with in light of left-wing manipulation, but aside from that, government ought to stay out of those issues. YTo be very blunt, based on the treatment MY ancestors received, I see little reason to trust the government when it comes to cultural issues.

[Zionist Conspirator]

If our friend "hchutch" is a mormon then he believes the US Constitution (I suppose with all its present and future amendments, including any possible far-left amendments in the future) is Divinely inspired.

All the same, I think orthodox mormons are "theocratic" according to their beliefs and would never say that "no one can have his religious beliefs dictated to him" (even by G-d A-mighty, I suppose). This guy sounds more like Voltaire than Smith.

Then again, it's possible--just possible, mind you--that some of the "social liberals" who are defending Norquist and his moslem allies are anti-Israel "palaeocons."