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To: hchutch; AAABEST
If someone uses ANY religion to justify murder, they need to be prosecuted and put away. I don't care WHAT religion is twisted for that sick purpose.

You're assuming a fact not in evidence, that Islam has been twisted to justify murder.

Islam has to be twisted not to justify murder. Mohammed was a murderer. Islam is murderous from the start.

A crusade against Islam is self-defense against jihad, and always has been.

Your comparision of Islam being akin to Japanese heritage does not make for an apt analogy. Islam is far more akin to Nazism, had the Third Reich actually lasted a thousand years.

This is where the First Amendment offers only phantom refuge for the apologists for Islam. Does the Constitution give comfort to practitioners of a religion which, in historical practice and the stated intent of it's "holy book," desires to overthrow the Constitution and force America to submit to Sharia law? If a religion's purpose is to overthrow the Constitution, can practitioners of that religion cite that very Constitution to gleen protection, and by consequence, aid and comfort, from the people of our government who have sworn to uphold the Constitution?

Shall the First Amendment compel us to aid those who, should they gain power, would undo the First Amendment and the rest of the Constitution, in a Mohammedan heartbeat?

Of course not.


66 posted on 12/09/2003 9:39:58 AM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Sabertooth; Poohbah; Bob J; veronica
But then again, so do you. You assume Islam and the Koran SUPPORT terrorism, and encourage murder-suicide bombings. That is not the case.

"Acts of Terrorism which result in the terrorist taking their own life are in direct violation of that which the Koran teaches. The Koran insists that you "do not kill yourselves" (4:29). Suicide is looked down upon by the Koran and is shown very clearly by its imperative form of writing. The Book is a guide for the righteous to live by and demands that one does not take his own life. The act of suicide in itself suggests that one is not actually righteous and should therefore be labeled more appropriately as one who "says he believes" but does not in fact follow the religion. The Koran points out that "there are some who declare: 'We believe in Allah and the Last Day,' yet they are no true believers... they shall be sternly punished for the lies that they tell" (2:09-10). Accordingly these unbelievers will be judged at death and will be punished for that which they have done wrong. Those who commit suicide claim to be righteous, however, by committing suicide and going against the Book they are showing themselves to be hypocrites and will be punished as such.

"The Koran also warns: "he that kills a believer by design shall burn in Hell for ever" (4:93). The terrorists that claim to be killing in the name of Allah think of themselves as believers. These terrorists are not only going against their own belief system by committing suicide but also by taking the lives of other believers, who are defined by the Koran as those who follow Islam, Judaism and Christianity alike (4:171; 2:62). In the case of the attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, these terrorists not only took their own lives, but also took the lives of other believers. The killing of any of these people is strictly prohibited by the Book and those who violate this law of Islam are to be punished accordingly."
http://www.emayhem.org/serious/1038808893.shtml

"[2:195] You shall spend in the cause of GOD; do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. You shall be charitable; GOD loves the charitable.

"[ 4:29] O you who believe, do not consume each others' properties illicitly - only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.

"[ 4:30] Anyone who commits these transgressions, maliciously and deliberately, we will condemn him to Hell. This is easy for GOD to do.

"Suicide bombing by young mis-informed Muslim youths has been carried out almost routinely as a mean of revenge in the Middle East conflict. It is mainly done to avenge their oppression, occupation and loss of freedom they have been experiencing all their life. It is carried out by the youth who lost all the hope to a peaceful settlement as they witnessed their families, loved ones, neighbors, and the innocent bystanders die or tortured at the hand of a merciless occupying force. Despite these intolerable situation no permission can be found in Islam to avenge by suicide bombing or by targeting the innocent civilians. These young desperate Muslim youth have been taught what is NOT in the Quran, and what was never promised by God in the Holy book.

"As the verses quoted above show, suicide in any form is condemned by God, no excuse given under any circumstances. The Quran does not promise Heaven (Paradise) to those who commit suicide but rather warn of condemnation to Hell. The promise of paradise or of virgin wives in Heaven for those suicide bombers and those who kill the innocent civilians has no basis in Islam and cannot be found anywhere in the Quran. These fabrications taught to these poor desperate Muslim youths originated probably from the man made books of Hadiths and Sunna that were condemned by God and by the prophet Muhammed himself who told his followers to follow ONLY the Quran."
http://www.submission.org/jihad/suicide.html

"Attention to our readers: This collection of articles is never meant to insult those who chose to believe in one doctrine or another but rather to present educational materials to those interested in learning about them. We may not agree with each other but we do respect your choice and expect the same from you. In some of these articles we have received comments about verses of the Bible taken out of context and used in the wrong place. We urge everyone reading any material on this site , or any site, to verify that materail for his/herself, see Quran 17:36. As for books referrred to here, we are not promoting any of these books , but we are only using some of the materials in them because of the interest they raise. We have full respect to those who believe different than us. Quran teaches that: "There shall be no compulsion in religion". 2:256"
http://www.submission.org/jews/

In short, the murder-suicide bombers in the MidEast (Israel and Iraq, and anywhere else), but a reading of the Koran, do NOT die as martyrs to Islam, but instead die as apostates and murderers. They do not get a mansion. They do not collect their seventy-two virgins. They go straight to Hell.

By the way, the 2:256 quote sounded quite familiar... a lot like the part in the First Amendment that says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;".

You may also find this link worth perusing:
http://www.submission.org/terrorism.html

In short, not every Moslem or interpretation of Islam supports al-Qaeda. If anything, based on the verses from the Koran I've seen through a simple Google search and reviewing other links on the page I found, it is far more likely that al-Qaeda represents Islam with the same legitimacy that the Irish Republican Army represents Catholics.
76 posted on 12/09/2003 10:00:41 AM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Sabertooth
"The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact". That pithy phrase is credited to chief Nuremburg prosecutor Robert Jackson, a poor fellow who suffered from common sense. Fortunately that ailment doesn't afflict a lot of folks here. And should you think that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, well... you're probably advocating genocide. At least I think that's what I've learned here tonight.
180 posted on 12/09/2003 10:56:48 PM PST by Pelham
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