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To: jocon307
If the US is threatened by another country, I say go get 'em. Osama Bin Laden attacked us and we kicked his butt in Afganstan. HE WAS a threat. He attacked us. The evidence of Saddam's connection to terrorism is less than the Saudis, but we AREN'T attacking their country, are we? Why? North Korea is a bigger threat, in my opinion, than Saddam ever was, but we have done nothing about them. China is a threat, but we're buddy-buddy with them because OUR companies are using it's people as slaves so we can by $30 DVD players, while Taiwan is hung out to dry.
You are right; there may be information that our government knows that we do not. However, I WILL NOT follow blindly into a war for a political party no matter WHICH party it is. The "good guys" can use their followers just as well the "bad guys". Actually, I don't see much difference between the two parties, but that's another thread! :)
1,060 posted on 12/14/2003 3:25:57 PM PST by Merdoug
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To: Merdoug
I really think North Korea is over rated as a threat. That Kim Jong Il, or however you spell it, is a complete loon. Some people in his gov't must know that. Who is he gonna nuke, South Korea? That doesn't make much sense. I'm pretty sure if he tried anything we'd take him out in a New York minute.

As for China, I was 100% convinced years ago that they used convict labor. They are bad, but they are also the largest country in the world. They are not going to attack us, and we are not going to attack them without that provocation. Eventually the Chinese will get their act together. They do great in every country they emigrate too, but they are a people who have NEVER known freedom. I think we have to stand by Taiwan, and I agree, Bush screwed up on that the other day too.

As for Saudi Arabia, I will support any offensive taken against them. But I imagine they are getting a clue right about now. But I for one wouldn't hesitate to take over that entire country.

But you know, you can't have it all. No president is perfect, no government is perfect, no plan is perfect. There are an awful lot of fine people in Iraq who are far better off now than they were a year ago. The world is better off too.

One thing I learned from my interest in pro-life issues, don't let Perfect be the enemy of Good. That's how I feel about this whole Iraq thing.

And I can truthfully state for the record I thought we should have gone into Afghanistan and kicked the Taliban's butt BEFORE 9/11. Even before the Buddahs, but definately by the time of the Buddahs' destruction.

That was summer 2001, when I told my friend "There is a big problem in the Muslim world..." and she yelled at me for "Condemning an entire people..." She denies this now, but it really happened.
1,071 posted on 12/14/2003 4:20:50 PM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do!)
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To: Merdoug
Merdoug, George W. Bush did not ask for this. 9/11 was dropped in his lap and as far as Saddam is concerned, I cannot get over the expression on GWB's face during the presser he gave after Prince Abdullah of Jordan paid him a visit at his Texas Ranch in 2002. I will always believe that Prince Abdullah informed President Bush of something vital. We have Saddam in custody now and I am sure that there will be more revealed. Even if Saddam was not connected to 9/11 or did not have WMDs, one thing for sure he was paying or rewarding families of suicide bombers (which is another method of weapons of mass destruction.
1,073 posted on 12/14/2003 4:24:18 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Merdoug
If the US is threatened by another country, I say go get 'em. Osama Bin Laden attacked us and we kicked his butt in Afganstan. HE WAS a threat. He attacked us

Wasn't it the Japanese who attacked the United states on December 7th 1941? Then you must surely be opposed to our attack on Hitlers North Africa in 1943 and Europe in 1944. I'm sure you will say it was fine to go after Japan but not Germany and Italy. After all, neither Germany or Italy attacked the United States or killed a single American.

Yet on the basis of Japan's attack we attacked Germany and Italy. Roosevelt and Democratic party of 1941 set the standard Bush is following in Iraq. Japan attacked us... Hitler did not. We attacked both Japan and Germany.

But that was not the first time we went to war with out being attacked. You are totally ignorant of history.

According to your logic, We were not justified in entering World War I or World War II. And according to your logic, we were not justified in starting the Spanish American war. What justification did we have according to to you in taking Cuba and the Phillipines from Spain? Spain never attacked us in any way.

The Democrats tell you we have never done this before and you are so ignorant that you don't even know it is a lie. Your every post proves you know neither logic nor history.

We attacked Saddams Army in 1991 because it had invaded and taken Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia. We entered into a truce to end that war based on an agreement between our government and Saddam. That agreement contained the provision that Saddam was to stop production of all weapons of mass destruction. In addition Saddam was to destroy all his weapons of mass destruction and to prove that he had, he was to allow unrestricted inspections of Iraq by the United Nations. The UN was to certify that Saddam had no weapons of Mass destrucn and none were being manufactured. Failure to do so, would result in resumption of the war.

That was the truce agreement that halted the fighting in the Gulf war Saddam violated that agreement.

The united nations passed 10 resoluitions supporting the provisions of the truce agreement that ended the war in 1991 and Saddam never complied.

For 10 long years Saddam refused to allow unfettered inpsections and violated his agreement with us and the UN resolutions in support of that agreement. Durring Bill Clinton's administration Saddam threw the UN inspectors out and Bill did nothing. That, plus the Cole, the first Trade center attack and the destruction of our African embassys convinced the Arab militants that we were a cowardly giant. That cost 3,000 American lives.

When Saddam refused to allow inspections, Bush II enforced the agreement of Gulf War I. That agreement between Saddam and the USA said if Saddam failed to meet the agreements of the peace treaty of 1991, we would resume the Gulf War.

We did so.

That is what happened to Saddam. We did not invade Iraq in 1991 after driving him out of Kuwait. We halted our attack becuase Saddam agreed to get rid of his weapons of mass destruction and allow UN searches to prove it. He did not allow the searches... He got blown away.

Now tell us why an Evil America took down the Kaiser, Hitler, and conquered Cuba and the Phillipines.

1,107 posted on 12/14/2003 9:01:07 PM PST by Common Tator (I support Billybob. www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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