Singer Lauryn Hill Blasts Church at Vatican Concert

Reuters ^ | Dec 14, 2003 | Philip Pullella

[Print]

She expressed what many of us feel.

[cyborg]

If things were allowed to continue, Ethiopia could have been a prosperous African country (even with Mussolini's mad ideas about the breadbasket. Selassie was making it a breadbasket already).

[Jack Black]

I'm sorry I can not agree with you. I was raised Catholic and this has been going on for years in the Church. The scandal is not just that there were pedophile priests, but that the heirarchy knew and did nothing. And even covered up for them and left them in positions where they could continue to molest.

There is a deep sickness in the Catholic Church, and I don't think it has been dealt with in a complete way, though the Pope did make some moves in the right direction.

This does not excuse Miss. Hills outburst. I think she is not very educated and sadly, despite her success, does not understand the concepts of courtesy and manners. That's a shame.

She has written some nice songs, including the beautiful pro-life ballad "Zion".

[George W. Bush]

Shades of Savonarola.

Reminds of that woman writer (about the only one for centuries) that wrote extensively against the practices of the Church hierarchy of her own time. This was before the Reformation. Can't recall her name.

An early female critic of the Roman establishment.

[yankeedame]

The scandal is not just that there were pedophile priests, but that the heirarchy knew and did nothing. And even covered up for them and left them in positions where they could continue to molest.

Said priests were not so much pedophiles as they were homosexual pedophiles; the number of girls molested, percentage-wise, is about as small as you can get and still be a number. Yet, the on going emphasis - esp. in the media is on that fact that the crime was carried out by priests, not by homosexuals.

To blandly declare (or go along with the bland declaration) that the Curate knew about the sodomizing of young boys by homosexuals (who also happened to be priests) and yet did nothing is a dangerous folly.

As another FReeper posted, the number of Roman Catholic priests guilty of this is far less (again, percentage-wise) than other, non-Catholic "men of the cloth"; and far, far less than the population in general and yet....both numbers and facts are ignored.

Cooler heads will see that when all is said and done these attacks are on priests - the visible symbol of the RCC.

They are not on child molestation. If it were where is the outrage against pedophilia among other, non-RC ministers and rabbis? Against homosexual teachers, Big Brothers, NAMBLA, et. al?

[Frank_2001]

Good question!!!

[Hawkeye's Girl]

As another FReeper posted, the number of Roman Catholic priests guilty of this is far less (again, percentage-wise) than other, non-Catholic "men of the cloth"; and far, far less than the population in general and yet....both numbers and facts are ignored.

Because it's more fun for them that way.

Most Protestants and ex-Catholics are cool, but these threads always bring out the few who aren't.

[BlackElk]

Yes, Yes, To the extent of his competence and ability and knowledge, Not particularly and he has many obligations other than pleasing the likes of you who are not in charge of judging him, Yes, Sounds likely to me, and You bet he is.

You are more of a bondservant to your own pride.

When RCs need your advice or YOPIOS we will be sure to ask. Don't hold your breath in the meantime. Now, back to the fever swamp....

[xp38]

The miseducation continues

[BlackElk]

That's obviously not all that you fail to understand. Real Catholics know Catholic bashing when they see it. That's OK. Bash away. The end of the story is that we RCs are here to the very end and that is guaranteed on the very Highest Authority. Our enemies share a common and deserved obscurity and are soon gone and forgotten with the rest. Twenty centuries and counting.

[BlackElk]

My, you are running the risk of uniting some VERY disparate and usually combative amongst ourselves RCs. Impressive.

[Porterville]

I have no problem wishing horrible things on liberals, even during the Christmas season.... I'm just a sinner a guess, but at least I feel a sense of ease.

[BlackElk]

Re: Your respective views on the RCC which you each suggest that you have left: No longer any of your business and we are not a democracy in any event. Thank God!

As to Ms. Hill, maybe she should become a Dixie Trick.

[BlackElk]

The fictional tales of Maria Monk (written by an early Jack Chick)?

[incindiary]

Lauryn Hill is (at least last I checked) a Bible believing Christian. Before everyone starts attacking her and accusing her of everything from voodoo to being a slut, keep in mind that she is a believer, and she is not bashing God, she is criticizing the Catholic church for being ungodly. As for me, I grew up Catholic and I also feel the Catholic church has been unChristian in a few ways, which is why I (after becoming a born again Christian) decided not to go back to the Catholic church.

That said, I think she could've made her point differently, but... apparently she felt strongly about it.

[NYCVirago]

Anyone remember $hitnade O'Connor... her career tanked so bad that she recently dropped out of the music biz. I hope that is the end result of Ms. Hill's outburst.

Good comparision. And Lauryn Hill is about as sane as Sinead O'Connor, too. I've heard various stories about Ms. Hill being seriously nuts.

[George W. Bush]

The fictional tales of Maria Monk (written by an early Jack Chick)?

No! Heh-heh.

I was serious. There was such a writer among the chorus of those calling for reform of the pre-Reformation church.

Given that only a handful of women were well-known authors in the first 500 years after the invention of the printing press, I'd think that someone could remember her name.

I'm thinking I read about her in Tuchman's history of the fourteenth century, Through A Distant Mirror, if I remember the title correctly.

Well, a little more googling turned up her name. This link is a little brief in describing her writing and influence.

Catherine of Siena

[q_an_a]

good for you. too few people defend their faith and even fewer know how. I accept that we are on the side of Faith and wish others to find it.

[thiscouldbemoreconfusing]

Where can we find her entire speech? I hate to judge without seeing all she said.

[mdmathis6]

Indeed...all denominations in general seem to be experienceing an epidemic of all grossest perversions. 1Timothy 4 describes this phenomena. Apparently it is indeed the "latter days" that the "Spirit" expressed to Paul about!