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Let's be crass: Saddam and American politics, 1991 and 2003
vanity | December 15, 2003 | southernnorthcarolina

Posted on 12/15/2003 8:17:11 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina

As Fred Barnes noted in his excellent column yesterday (see thread here), it is a little crass to talk about the political implications even as events are unfolding. But we're a political board. Almost by definition, we're crass.

All but the youngest here remember the surge in popularity that George Herbert Walker Bush experienced after the Gulf War of 1990-91. And we remember he lost in 1992 -- a loss which seems surreal and inexplicable in retrospect. The more cautious among us, and I would include myself, have for the past few months warned about overconfidence with regard to the re-election prospects of the current President Bush, citing the experience of his father.

With the capture of Saddam, it might be appropriate to take a look at the differences between the situation as of 1991 and as of now. While I still caution against overconfidence, I believe there's reason to be optimistic that the outcome in 2004 will be very different from the outcome in 1992, for these reasons, among others:

Are there similarities between the situations of 1991 and 2003? Of course, many. But I felt that some of the differences were worth mentioning, too.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: viceisclosed

1 posted on 12/15/2003 8:17:12 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina
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To: southernnorthcarolina
He lost mostly because of PeROT. And then there was the Buchanan cult. PeROT(they're coming to take me away') made a deal with Clinton. Clinton never got a plurality of the vote.

That was then, amd there is no PeROT on the horizon.
2 posted on 12/15/2003 8:22:37 AM PST by stubernx98
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Also, don't forget that we had to contend with Perot. As I recall, Clinton did not get a majority of the vote in either 1992 or 1996. When you consider that, along with his loss of both the House and the Senate and his generally miserable failure as a president, it's apparent that the dems have been fading for 10 years. Their collapse has deeper roots and far broader implications for their future than they know.
3 posted on 12/15/2003 8:29:08 AM PST by laishly
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To: southernnorthcarolina
The biggest difference is GW Bush lowered taxes and helped spur economic growth, while GHW Bush raised taxes and helped slow down the economy.
4 posted on 12/15/2003 8:47:12 AM PST by Always Right
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Don't expect Saddam to provide any help on weapons locations or terrorist ties, of course

On the contrary, we have tons of leverage on Saddam. For example, while we will probably not promise him life imprisonment instead of death (although we will not rule out that it could happen), we can promise a quick and relatively painless and dignified death instead of being beaten to death with his naked body being dragged throught he streets being spat upon and mutilated.

We can also help guarantee that his remaining offspring and grandchildren will live in relative freedom and not be hunted like animals.

5 posted on 12/15/2003 8:47:47 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: stubernx98
He lost mostly because of PeROT.

GHW Bush lost his base and moderate support by raising taxes.

6 posted on 12/15/2003 8:49:14 AM PST by Always Right
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Another similarity is the seemingly mindless hatred of Bush (either GHWB or GWB) by the media and the Rats. The media absolutely adores the Clintons and will likely feel the same about whomever the Rats nominate this time around. This can be a powerful ally. It amounts to essentially free air time for the Rats. All the media have to do is dress it up as a "story", and, voila, the Rat candidate is on the air to spew his hate-Bush bile. No chance for Bush or the 'Pubs to counter, since it's presented under the guise of a "news story".

BTW, can anyone clue me in as to the origin of these mindless Bush hatred by the left? I know there have been any number of threads on it in recent times, but nothing makes sense (not that it ever does with Rats). Certainly George H. W. Bush was no hardline conservative, but the press absolutely loathed him. G. W. Bush is more conservative than his father, but has lately been pushing some big-government initiatives, and spending has really gotten out of hand. Those aren't strictly conservative initiatives. Still, the press and the Rats hate the guy with a kind of mindless hatred generally seen only in psychopathic cases.

7 posted on 12/15/2003 9:02:35 AM PST by chimera
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To: Always Right
It is crass. I'm truly amazed that here we have this incredible military victory -- first the war, now actually locating a needle in a haystack and finding this tyrant -- and hard minutes passed when some of us were screaming "this will show the Democrats! This changes the presidential race!" It'd be refreshing if thoughts turn to our country as a nation...and to our military...than to see everything in modern political terms...where politics has now become akin to professional wrestling with all-bad guys and all-good guys (when GWB's approach in Texas as governor and Arnold's here in CA shows that there can be some areas that are shared where all benefit). Yes, Fred, it is a crass reaction -- and articles like yours will help raise funds for the Democrats if some party hack copies it and sends it off as an example that this war is strictly for political gain...which it is NOT.
8 posted on 12/15/2003 9:10:49 AM PST by jraven
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To: southernnorthcarolina
"... he lost in 1992 -- a loss which seems surreal and inexplicable in retrospect."

Here, let me explicate it for you:
"Watch my lips - no new taxes."

Need more explicatation?

How about his campaign promise not to impose any new anti-gun laws?

Lots of folks just couldn't get excited enough about that lying sack to make it out the door on election day.

9 posted on 12/15/2003 9:33:41 AM PST by Redbob (this space reserved for witty remarks)
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"Certainly George H. W. Bush was no hardline conservative...

I nominate this for Understatement of the Day, December 15, '04!

10 posted on 12/15/2003 9:36:26 AM PST by Redbob (this space reserved for witty remarks)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Perot and "Read my lips. No more taxes."

George W. Bush has done a few things to anger his conservative base, too. But nothing nearly as bad as George H. W. Bush did. As we can see right here in the forum, some conservatives are angry about such things as the Medicare bill, but hopefully not so angry that they'll let Howard Dean or Hillary in the back door of the White House.
11 posted on 12/15/2003 10:00:27 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
A more proper comparison is 2004 to 1972, not 1992. A loony-left Dean candidacy will doubtless result in a GWB landslide, along the lines of Tricky Dick's win over McGovern. Of course if the Dragon Lady ("oh, no, Tim, I'm not running, not me HA HA HA") comes in to save the party at the last minute, all bets are off.
12 posted on 12/15/2003 11:09:46 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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