Bush to Propose Broad AmnestyTell Congress to Say No!

FAIR ^ | 12-24-03 | Fair staff

[Jorge]

And I WANT to support you, President Bush. I believe in you. I believe you are--in many ways--making our country safer. That is why I cannot understand your desire to grant amnesty to illegals. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make us safer. It will not help us economically. It's the wrong thing to do. Please reconsider your support of this amnesty immigration reform legislation. Or I may be forced to reconsider my support of you and the Republican Party.

And *I will help vote in the terrorist butt-kissers like Howard Dean precisely because I am so concerned about issues of national security*.

Pathetic.

[Pelham]

If amnesty for criminal aliens looks like it will cost more votes than it gains he will dump the idea faster than Monica dropped her drawers.

No, he'll just stop talking about it, and wait until after he's reelected to grant Amnesty.

[Choose Ye This Day]

You have no idea how painful it was for me to write it. I am a STRONG Bush supporter. On many issues, I wholeheartedly agree with him. I believe he needs to rethink this one, or many people may look for alternatives.

[Once-Ler]

Your truth-humor combo reminds me of Rush at his best.

A kind compliment indeed. Thank you.

[Choose Ye This Day]

The whole idea, here, Jorge, is to get Bush and the Republicans in Congress to change their minds. That's what being part of a representative democracy is all about. If we allow them to carry on, business as usual, without ever listening to their constituents...then how does that help us?

Believe me, if it comes down to an amnesty-loving Bush vs. a nutjob like Dean, I'll still back Bush. (Dean has no chance anyway.) But until then, I will do everything I can to make sure my representatives and elected officials know of my displeasure over illegal immigration. I can withhold contributions, write in other candidates in primaries, and write, fax, e-mail, call, etc.

You can't just "go with the flow" all the time, especially if the "flow" is leading you to the sewer.

Ease up on the snide remarks, there, Jorge. No me caen bien.

[Jorge]

And you, Jorge, should come to California and take a good look at what's going on here in the "real world". California is now Mexifornia, and we're paying for the whole mess. Wake up.

And this is Bush's fault? You wake up.

I've been to California and lived in South FLA where illegal immigration is a big problem as well.
So Bush the "unilateralist" who's supposedly caused the entire world to hate us....is somehow the cause of this problem because you claim he is "busy bowing to foreigners" makes no sense.

But I agree with his work-amnesty proposal for those already here who are tax-paying contributing members of society. It's balanced and reasonable.

But I do think we need to get more control of our borders due to the terrorist threat.

[Once-Ler]

And you, Jorge, should come to California and take a good look at what's going on here in the "real world". California is now Mexifornia, and we're paying for the whole mess. Wake up.

The reason California is in such a mess is because the 'rats have complete control of CA. Why do the 'rats have control of CA? Prop 187.

In 1994 Wilson got re-elected on the issue of Prop 187, but when the economy began to improve anti-immigration sentiment began to subside and a along came a backlash against the EVIL Republicans who wanted to deprive children of an education and sick people of medicine with prop 187. In 1996 while Republicans gained 88 lower house seats and 62 upper house seats in state legislatures nationwide, California Republicans LOST 4 seats and control in the Assembly, and 2 seats in the Senate. In 1998 Republicans again gained state legislative seats but CA Republicans lost 5 seats in the Assembly and 2 seats in the Senate. Of course by 1998 the economy was booming and Prop 187 was killed by the courts, and when voters were given the choice between pro-187 Dan Lungren and Gray Davis who vehemently opposed 187, the people of CA voted for Davis. Latino voter turn out has more than doubled in CA since 187 passed and it has all gone to the 'rats. Today the Republican party in California is a joke. The only bright Republican star in CA is a pro-gay pro-abortion pro-gun control sexual mollesting Governor. Illegal immigration is a loser issue. It has killed the Republican party in CA.

An anti-immigration stance has always been a loser issue except for congressional seats in far right districts. I can't cite one Presidential election where an anti-immigration position was the winning factor. Except for Pete Wilson in California in 1994, I can't cite an example of a statewide race where an anti-immigration stance helped win the election. You act as though it will be THE major issue of 2004. Dubya's Amnesty proposal will earn him twice as many votes from centrists as he loses from the far right fringe. Dean is enough to motivate the base to vote for Bush. Those who will stay home in 2004 when faced with a choice between Dubya and Dean didn't vote for Dubya in 2000.

[longtermmemmory]

Point of Order: Did not Ronald Reagan have an amnesty on his watch? Just FYI question.

[Hoverbug]

What's to stop Bush from holding off on the amnesty deal until 2005, after the election. In 2008, we'll have the choice between Hillary and whoever the pubbies put up.

Hb

[Jorge]

You can't just "go with the flow" all the time, especially if the "flow" is leading you to the sewer.

Ease up on the snide remarks, there, Jorge.

Ok. That's great advice coming from someone who just suggested my position on this issue leads "to the sewer".
I should be so nice.

In any case I don't agree with your letter to President Bush threatening to withdraw support for him in 2004 if he doesn't change his position to agree with you on this particular issue.
I think that's worse than "snide". That could give us Howard Dean.

[Once-Ler]

Yes Reagan signed an amnesty in 1986.

“I’ve spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don’t know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get there. That’s how I saw it, and see it still.”
Reagan's Farewell Address to the Nation, January 11, 1989

[Choose Ye This Day]

Making the Mexican immigrants legal allow us to collect SS tax $ and pay for the baby boomer retirement. ...we'll have to let them in so we can pay for Social Security benefits. Amnesty puts all of them on the SS tax rolls...

I'm not so sure about this. Unless illegals are being paid cash, they are paying into Social Security now. Probably 99% of illegals are using false identification to work. They are ON the payroll, so the 7.65% for SS and Medicare is withheld from every paycheck (and the employer has to kick in and match the 7.65%).

They're probably not paying much in income taxes.

[Pelham]

The reason California is in such a mess is because the 'rats have complete control of CA. Why do the 'rats have control of CA? Prop 187.

Figures you live in Wisconsin. All you "experts" living thousands of miles from California know so much more than those of us who live here. I've only been in California since 1966, so I couldn't possibly match your knowledge of this State.

What I do remember is Pete Wilson saving his own faltering campaign by climbing onto Prop 187 in the last weeks before the election. Prop 187 passed with over 60% of the vote. My prediction, hampered as it is by actually living in California, is that the New 187 will get an even larger percentage of the vote.

[Pelham]

Check this out, 'toothie. A little revisionist history for your amusement:

Of course by 1998 the economy was booming and Prop 187 was killed by the courts, and when voters were given the choice between pro-187 Dan Lungren and Gray Davis who vehemently opposed 187, the people of CA voted for Davis.

[Hoverbug]

Um, didn't I read somewhere that Reagan later said that he regretted signing the amnesty bill and said it was the biggest mistake of his presidency?

Hb

[philetus]

When Aztlan is a reality, the politicians in DC know they will still be rich elites, hobnobbing with rich elite actors, singers, tycoons, etc.

[Sabertooth]

Of course by 1998 the economy was booming and Prop 187 was killed by the courts, and when voters were given the choice between pro-187 Dan Lungrenand Gray Davis who vehemently opposed 187, the people of CA voted for Davis

Breathtaking.

That would be the Dan Lundgren who wrote the 1986 Amnesty for Illegals?

The courts didn't kill 187, they sat on it until Gray Davis, who'd promised to uphold it, got elected and could kill it.

If you like revisionism, you ought to check out quotes from President Bush saying that 187 would have kept the children of Illegals out of public schools.

[Choose Ye This Day]

I am saying the Republican Party's position on this issue (read: soft on illegals) IS, indeed, taking us to the sewer, figuratively speaking.

You don't think so? Do you think rewarding illegals with citizenship or legal residency is going to IMPROVE our security, or economy, or our society as a whole?

You don't agree with my letter to Bush (and DeLay, and Hastert), threatening to w/d support (as I said, that could mean financial support, or supporting other candidates in primaries). Fine. How do YOU suggest that I, average Joe Citizen, get the point across to my elected representatives that they had better change their tune? What other leverage do I have?

[Sabertooth]

The reason California is in such a mess is because the 'rats have complete control of CA. Why do the 'rats have control of CA? Prop 187.

In 1994 Wilson got re-elected on the issue of Prop 187, but when the economy began to improve anti-immigration sentiment began to subside and a along came a backlash against the EVIL Republicans who wanted to deprive children of an education and sick people of medicine with prop 187.

Try learning some real history, instead of recapping what you pick up from the evening news and the L.A. Times.

The backlash started before 187 passed, from within the Republican Party itself, launched by Jack Kemp and Bill Bennett, and assissted by George W. Bush, all of whom aided and abetted the left in demonizing the anti-Illegal Alien constituency within the GOP.

Spineless northeastern Republicans went along, joining the Democrat malfeasance on Illegals, and helping to pass two Section 245(i) Amnesties for Bill Clinton.

The "backlash" you cite is a myth to cover the failure of scruples and courage on the part of the pro-Illegal Alien factions within the GOP. If they had the courage of their false convictions, they wouldn't strive so mightily to keep Illegals from becoming a campaign issue, because they know if it ever comes to a vote, they'll get their butts whipped by an angry electorate.

The kiss of death for a politician is to openly kiss Illegals.

Ask Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante.

[Once-Ler]

Breathtaking.

Don't take my word for it. Try this on for size.

"In 1997, supporters of Proposition 187, Pete Wilson and Dan Lungren, held the position of governor and attorney general. Two years later, outspoken opponents of Proposition 187, Gray Davis and Bill Lockyer, replaced them."
Who wrote that? Not the LA times. Not Dan Rather...nope it was California Republican Assemblyman Ray Haynes.

Davis Pulls a Fast One on Lawsuit Over Proposition 187

What I find breathtaking is someone who passes out insults about the state I live in or phrases like revisionism, yet utterly fails to refute anything I wrote with facts. Perhaps some people think I should accept unsubstantiated opinion as facts because they live in CA. I do not.