OK--Here you're changing the question. I thought you wanted to know would they fight to defend America. Now you're asking should they have to to defend America. Give me an example of the sort of defense situation you're thinking and then wait for me to answer the question before coming to conclusions about what I think. OK? Fair?
Some 20,000 people compared to the estimated 10 million illegals. I am so unimpressed by these numbers.
You're trying to compare 20,000 people who have legal immigrant status and are eligible to and are serving in the military with 10 million people who are barred from serving in the military. This is like saying that out of all the people under the age of 19 in this country, you're unimpressed by the number of 13 year olds who are serving in the military. It's neither a fair nor meaningful comparison. You aren't giving consideration to the numbers of people in that 10 million who would serve in the military if given the opportunity, nor consideration to the numbers who would like to but cannot because they don't meet other basic eligibilty requirements such as having a high school diploma (correct me if I'm wrong about this now being a reqirement.)
That was sixty years ago. Doesn't count when talking about amnesty today.
The Pearl Harbor example wasn't given in support of anmesty. It was given as an historical example of Mexicans willing to defend America...or, probably more precisely, willing to defend North America and was quite apropo to your hypotheical scenario of the United States being invaded by some unknown foreign source, presumably from another continent. ;)
NOt inconsistent at all. I am still talking about illegals.
You were talking about illegals sending money back to Mexico (while still residing in the US and spending at least some of the money they earn here in this country). I used the expatriate community who earned their money in the US & Canada as an example of a group of people who earned their money in the US & Canada & who are now making nearly all of their current expenditures in Mexico. WE were talking about MONEY and where it is being spent.
It is possible to both not want them here and be disgusted by the fact that they show respect for the country that supports them while they are committing their crime of illegal invastio.
We mostly agree on this point although I don't consider the mere fact of illegal entry in & of itself to be a manisfestation of disrespect to the degree that you do. (which is the word you I think you meant to type.
You make me uncomfortable by your blatant disregard for the law and the sovereign right of America to protect its borders. You would have them come here unabated. That makes me uncomfortable. I know you state to the contrary but I no longer believe you.
NO, I would not have them come here unabated. America most certainly has the right to protect its borders. Moreover, I think it is the duty of the federal government to protect the borders & I am very angry that such a lousy job is being done. The reality of the situation is that the borders are being flooded w/ people we know nothing about & who we have no means of tracking. I'm arguing for steps to do more about that. I'm arguing for giving some sort of legal status to workers. I'm against automatically confering citizenship status to babies born in this country to illegal parents--it's these new citizen babies/ children who are the recipients of a large share of the welfare largesse going to the illegal community. I believe that it is impossible to absolutely stop the entry of illegal aliens across our southern border, but that it is possible to change some of the policies that entice them across the border.
Which is exactly my point. No one cares if those others are sent back home. It's only the hispanics that get the attention. Why?
Damned good question. For example, most of the illegals who were rounded up who were working for the contractor cleaning Wal-Marts were eastern Europeans. I was flabberghasted at the numbers of people who assumed that the illegals were Hispanics or just launched into diatribes about Mexicans & ignored what should have been a real eye-opener about illegal aliens from waaaaaay across the ocean. I want to know lots more about how they got here, who facilitated it, what countries they passed thru....
Most of them are lazy and would have me fix all the problems with their equipment because they refuse to keep it clean, do any general maintainence or even care what happens to it.
That sounds exactly like the crew at McDonald's where my son worked this past summer & there wasn't a Hispanic (all were Caucasion) amongst them. True, most were teenagers, but their behavior on that job sure as hell isn't a good indication of their future performance. More than that, some of them were actually destructive--slices of cheese into the toaster, using the ketchup gun in a game of paintball on the line. A young (20 or so) assistant manager (Caucasion) who made repeated sexually inappropriate remarks about the mothers of the male teenagers who were working there (and laughed about the ketchup gun incident while it was happening in his presence.)
Obviously, many of those you describe have little or no mechanical sense. But you have to keep in mind that these people come here from a third world country and haven't had nearly the degree of exposure to machinery that many Americans here do. And it's just a fact that no matter how much exposure people have, some of them are total mechanical idiots. My 13 YO son can barely figure out which end of the cord goes into the outlet, but I need to be well rested if I plan to engage him in a game of mental math.
Lazy, incompetent, unwilling to learn lukewarm bodies should be fired and replaced. Here is a situation where the idea of work permits for foreign workers figures into the equation. Work permits should hinge on the ability to perform & hold down a job.
This is really getting tedious. You know perfectly well what I mean.
You aren't giving consideration to the numbers of people in that 10 million who would serve in the military if given the opportunity, nor consideration to the numbers who would like to but cannot because they don't meet other basic eligibilty requirements such as having a high school diploma (correct me if I'm wrong about this now being a reqirement.
Please stop acting as if I am being disingenous. Too bad if they are too stupid to get a high shcool diploma.
...or, probably more precisely, willing to defend North America...
Here, once again, your true loyalty is revealed. You see North America as one nation and would have the borders opened to all these slugs from the south of the our border.
WE were talking about MONEY and where it is being spent.
No, we were not. I was talking about the drain of money going to Mexico and points south while the advocates of illegals, like yourself, are trying to convince us that they contribute to our society. Quite a big difference in reality and what you would like us to see.
For example, most of the illegals who were rounded up who were working for the contractor cleaning Wal-Marts were eastern Europeans.
Shewairy did say the workers came from 18 nations and included 90 people from Mexico, 35 from the Czech Republic, 22 from Mongolia and 20 from Brazil. The government initially said it had arrested about 300 people, but Shewairy said Friday the number turned out to be lower. From here.
You see how you exagerate? The fact is that most of the people arrested were hispanic. You just can't accept the fact that these illegals are thieves and criminals.
Obviously, many of those you describe have little or no mechanical sense. But you have to keep in mind that these people come here from a third world country and haven't had nearly the degree of exposure to machinery that many Americans here do. And it's just a fact that no matter how much exposure people have, some of them are total mechanical idiots. My 13 YO son can barely figure out which end of the cord goes into the outlet, but I need to be well rested if I plan to engage him in a game of mental math.
It has nothing to do with mechanical aptitude. They are stupid and lazy. They break the machine to stop working. They think I can't tell this. I can. I have 25 years of experience figuring out why something doesn't work. It's just too bad they don't have this in their own country. Stop them from coming into ours illegally. Send them all back. They are drain on our society.