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To: Publius6961
Take your time and answer just one question: Has there ever been, since oil was discovered outside the United States, any country whatsoever where what "we pay" has gone to the 'people'? Ever? Any? What kind of a puerile stuck-record inanity is that?

I'll help you follow the posts that led us to this point, since the very nature of your question exposes you missed it. In post #154 raptor29 asked, "Do we pay these countries for their oil?" I clarified in post #173 "No, we pay their brutal despots."

Perhaps it is news to you, but OBL and Co. recruit by saying that the U.S. government props up repressive despots like the Saudi govt. to manipulate the price of oil to our advantage (and thereby the disadvantage of the people who live on top of those resources). He wasn't making this argument before we put troops in Saudi Arabia. He wasn't attacking Americans then. It's very convenient to forget that internvention begets intervention. We'll see in 10 years what the latest round will reap. I'll guarantee you, and no one you know, foresaw 3,000 dead Americans and a smoking hole in NY city as the repercussion for sending U.S. soldiers, sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution, halfway around the world to defend a King.

220 posted on 12/28/2003 6:44:17 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
You didn't answer my question. What OBL says or thinks is irrelevant. He is delusional, since there is no oil producing islamic country where what you mindlessly repeat exists, or has ever existed. What you said is non-sensical.

Perhaps it is news to you, but OBL and Co. recruit by saying that the U.S. government props up repressive despots like the Saudi govt. to manipulate the price of oil to our advantage (and thereby the disadvantage of the people who live on top of those resources).
Nutjobs can say anything that occurs to them any time they choose. It does not make it true. He would be a murdering savage whether what he says is fact or delusion. We can't base foreign policy out of fear of an international outlaw. If his recruits buy into his argument they run the risk of the consequences.
He wasn't making this argument before we put troops in Saudi Arabia. He wasn't attacking Americans then.
When was that? Before the first World Trade Center blast? It's very convenient to muddle cause and effect, isn't it. To arrive at your predetermined conclusions? I will have to review the rise of Bin Laden, the Taliban and perhaps even Black September, way back perhaps before you were born. My point is that "he wasn't attacking Americans then" rings hollow, and is irrelevant. Other faceless killers were doing it then.
It's very convenient to forget that internvention begets intervention. We'll see in 10 years what the latest round will reap.

Yes we shall, shan't we. I suspect you will as mute then as Janeanne Garofolo is today. Ignorance is ignorance, loud and strident when opportunistic and quiet as mice when demonstrably wrong.

240 posted on 12/28/2003 10:20:00 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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