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Cardinal favours condoms to stop AIDS (leading candidates to succeed Pope John Paul)
The Guardian via SMH ^ | January 14, 2004 | John Hooper in Rome and Andrew Osborn in Brussels

Posted on 01/13/2004 6:30:40 AM PST by dead

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To: Jorge
Do you think it is better for the wife to contract AIDS,(a death sentence) than for a married couple to use condoms if the husband is HIV+?


I think they should absatin. How many times can I say it to you. No one dies from lack of sex.

381 posted on 01/16/2004 10:52:53 AM PST by johnb2004
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To: dead
If yor going sin ...do it right...
382 posted on 01/16/2004 10:53:47 AM PST by FlatLandBeer
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Jorge"Do you think it is better for the wife to contract AIDS,(a death sentence) than for a married couple to use condoms if the husband is HIV+?"

johnb2004I think they should abstain. How many times can I say it to you.

Actually you only have to say it once.
This is the FIRST time said "abstain" in any of your posts to me.
Nor did it appear anywhere in your initial response to cajungirl which began this dialogue.

Though I think it unreasonable to tell married couples that they must abstain from normal relations, and it is not Biblical, you are free to take this position if you want.

But this was not one of the two options you were given.

The question was whether a married couple who chooses to have normal relations (as Paul says they should) is given the choice of using condoms as protection against the wife contracting HIV (a death sentence)...or not, which do you think is right?

Personally I believe homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. But I would still prefer they use condoms to prevent the spread of AIDS.
Why? Because anybody who cares about people doesn't want to see them die in sin but would prefer they be given more time in the hope they will repent and be saved.

And I believe those who say otherwise should remember that Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Those who promote the idea that people should die rather than commit the "sin" of condom use should remember that if not for the mercy of God, they would be dead and in Hell for their own sins already.

383 posted on 01/16/2004 7:15:35 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
My position has always begin the Church's postion. Abstain. I made that clear in many posts on this thread and I have made clear that I accept the Church's teaching which is to abstain.

Using any contraceptive device during the marital embrace renders the act a sham. It is not true intercourse, rather it is mutual masturbation.
384 posted on 01/19/2004 5:38:12 AM PST by johnb2004
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