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Let's take your post in reverse order. The Confederacy had a similar form of central government. So your ANCESTORS traded one form of government for the same form. And lest we forget the elected president and vice president of said new government based it on owning four million people. What your REFUSE to address in your response....

"common folks" like MY family simply wanted OUT of the union, inasmuch as they believed that the federal government was NOT, and would NOT act in the foreseeable future, acting in THEIR interests. IF getting their FREEDOM & their own NATION meant supporting the aristocrats FOR A WHILE, then "so be it".
it's really no more complicated than that= they simply wanted to be FREE."

Secondly, you completely ignore the slavery part of the post and the statements by the leaders of the confederacy. As do all revisionists. They have to. It is what makes you all so irrational. (I.E. you talking about your 'family' as if it is in the here and now and not your 'ancestors' of a hundred and forty years ago.)

Finally, your first paragraph:

tell me, Irish, do YOU think the MERCILESS WAR waged against the INNOCENT, UNarmed civilians of dixie (like the SLAUGHTER of MY family, for example) and the MURDER/torute/abuse of TENS of THOUSANDS of helpLESS CSA prisoners of war was PERFECTLY OK??? (a simple YES/NO answer,stripped of NONSENSE, PLEASE.)

This is known as a "When did you stop beating your wife" question and is the rankest form of amateurism. Since all of your premises are false the only response is:
"Yes, a war to repress an illegal rebellion by traitors and free four million human beings from the horrors of their degrading slave masters and to prevent the murders, rapes, and torture they suffered under the whips of vile racist American hating liars and scum, was the most noble end of the Revolutionary War. For it was here that America once and for all became a nation where all were equal and only those who would still enslave others and prefer rape and sodomy and living off of the sweat of others could think otherwise."
Do you think otherwise? How many slaves do you want to own?

See, the "When did you stop beating your wife" tactic only depends on the person asking the question and does nothing to move the discussion forward.
Instead of such simplistic mudslinging let's go back to my post where the President and the Vice-President of the Confederacy in speeches proclaimed that slavery and it's continuation was the reason for the war. That, and only that, needs to be discussed in the context of the thread if you really want to have a discussion. What happened to your ANCESTORS or the comparison of treatment in CSA prisoner of war camps vs. Union prisoner of war camps doesn't play into it. For every personal example you might bring in there might be an equal number on the opposite side. So you can see where in discussing history that gets us nowhere.

in other words, you are UNwilling to say, YES or NO, whether slaughtering helpless POWs by the TENS of THOUSANDS was WRONG or not??

and/or whether you consider RAPING/TORTURING/ROBBING/MURDERING civilians was OK, especially since the VAST majority of the victims were "persons other than white".

140 years ago or 140 minutes ago, the question is the SAME.

so let's hear your opinion.

btw, can you get it through your head that:

1. that REVISIONIST historiography is a heresy of traditional scholarship, out of the most extreme LEFTIST/socialist, lunatic fringe of NORTHeastern academia &

2. that even the DAMNyankees, until AFTER the war, said that slavery was NOT the issue. after the war, when it became known what "preserving the union" had ACTUALLY cost in human lives/suffering, THEN the war became a "crusade against slavery". that is called SELF-delusion & DISHONESTY.

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