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To: GOPcapitalist
The Constitution says that the writ can be suspended under certain circumstances. It is silent on whether Congress is the only ones who can do it.

Wrong. Article I, Section 1 states "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." Article I, Section 9's habeas corpus clause is "herein granted" under Article I. Thus it is "vested in a Congress of the United States." Not a single founding father thought anything different when they drafted that clause. Once again if you deny this, quote one for me and prove that I'm wrong.

1. The suspending of the Writ is not a legislative power.

2. Not a single founding father thought that the Union was frangible either.

The absurdity of your position will be manfest to anyone who can think. Under your interpretation, the Writ could only be suspended when Cnngress was in session. In 1861, Congress had adjourned in the early spring was was not due to come back until Decmeber

Emergencies don't follow a schedule.

Walt

480 posted on 01/20/2004 2:06:09 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
1. The suspending of the Writ is not a legislative power.

Yes it is per the unanimous assertions of every founding father who ever wrote on this issue and per its placement in Article I.

2. Not a single founding father thought that the Union was frangible either.

False. Jefferson indisputably did as his 1803 letter on the Louisiana Purchase indicates. He is by far the most prominent to hold this belief but by no means the only. It is also true that when the founders drafted the habeas corpus clause they all recognized the possibility of events that some would call a rebellion. Some, such as Luther Martin, openly anticipated a day when some states would get into a war with the federal government. Despite this knowledge they did not alter so much as one word of their habeas corpus policy, which remained with the legislature and legislature alone.

The absurdity of your position will be manfest to anyone who can think.

The only absurdity here, Walt, is your belief that the Constitution gives the habeas corpus power to anybody other that Congress despite the fact that it explicitly places it within the congressional powers. To believe your position one must completely disregard the unanimous writings of the founding fathers themselves, the rulings of two well respected chief justices (Marshall and Taney), the legal scholarship of four well respected early American jurists, two of them also members of the supreme court itself (Tucker, Rawle, Story, and Curtis), and the common straight forward words of the Constitution itself. Such nonsense is the same process by which the meaning of "is" comes into dispute and by which a horse chestnut becomes a chestnut horse. You know this to be the case, Walt, because how could you not after all the tortured legal leaps, bounds, and bizarre word gymnastics you must by necessity play in order to even express your position let alone defend it!

Under your interpretation, the Writ could only be suspended when Cnngress was in session.

Exactly, and it is that way for a reason: to make the president call Congress into session during cases that merit the suspension of habeas corpus.

511 posted on 01/20/2004 8:28:23 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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