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To: Southack
Indeed. I've missed it. I don't see why *other* illegals will go home on their own based simply on their peers being forceably deported. To me that looks like scoring an own goal. Besides, your initial point in your opening editorial for this thread was to convince illegals to go home voluntarily, something that I have a difficult time reconciling with forced deportations.

It works because enforcement of the law against a few begets compliance with the law among the many. It's the same logic as three strikes laws.

Look at the thread about the Pakistani Illegals in my tagline. Self-deportation works.

Also, your phrase "based simply on their peers being forceably deported" is wildly inaccurate. I have a number of proposals in addition to deportations to encourage Illegals to self-deport in the "Eighteen Illegal Aliens Solutions" link in the essay at the top of this thread.


125 posted on 01/17/2004 11:59:22 AM PST by Sabertooth (Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
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To: Sabertooth
"It works because enforcement of the law against a few begets compliance with the law among the many. It's the same logic as three strikes laws."

I understand the logic of the 3 strikes laws, no problem, but I'm not really seeing how that logic extends to illegals...such that those illegals who haven't yet been caught suddenly go home anyway...just because they've seen some of their peers get deported by stepped up enforcement of our existing laws.

135 posted on 01/17/2004 12:07:36 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Sabertooth; All
Here are some useful links:


Official Citizenship of prison inmates:

CITIZENSHIP

United States: 123,088 (71.0%)

Mexico: 28,421 (16.4%)

Colombia: 3,659 (2.1%)


Cuba: 2,492 (1.4%)

Dominican Republic: 3,432 (2.0%)

Other/Unknown: 12,074 (7.0%)
http://www.bop.gov/fact0598.html#Citizenship


"Criminal aliens—non-citizens who commit crimes—are a growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000 criminal aliens.1 Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.(2) These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Over the past five years, an average of more than 72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone."
http://www.fairus.org/ImmigrationIssueCenters/ImmigrationIssueCenters.cfm?ID=1252&c=17


Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html


Even legal immigrants don't have jobs- that is another reason why they are angry about this:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back503.html
176 posted on 01/17/2004 1:23:25 PM PST by Revel
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To: Sabertooth
I have a number of proposals in addition to deportations to encourage Illegals to self-deport in the "Eighteen Illegal Aliens Solutions" link in the essay at the top of this thread.

In fact, forced deportation is the least among them.

The most effective is restoring the original intent of the 14th Amendment.

183 posted on 01/17/2004 1:50:47 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Sabertooth
What is all this jive about 8-12 million being alot. It might be alot of people for Costa Rica but we have close to 300,000,000 folks in this country. It would be no problem at all to kick them out. We outnumber them at least 20:1.

Of course if they have cojones and our President don't then that - still means we outnumber them 20:1.

Now, if we don hav no cojones and dayhav big cojones den we are n deeep kaka.
210 posted on 01/17/2004 4:46:28 PM PST by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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