Posted on 01/19/2004 2:49:47 AM PST by Main Street
By beginning with the document-makers. By using Social Security records to look for "dead" people who are still working, or for workers who are getting four or five contributions per month into their SSA's.
By going to the places where the contractors hire and deploy their day labor, and looking for illegals.
House to house searches and demands to see the papers of every dark-haired person who answers the door?
No, workplace-to-workplace.
How many people would you need to do that?
Whatever, hire them.
And then, what are you going to do? Deport them without due process?
No, deport them with due process.
Put them in detention camps?
Only if the pipeline to Mexico backs up.
Aside from the legalities of doing this, I imagine the cost would be staggering.
Of course it would. So what? We get our country back. What's that worth to you? Or do you prefer being ruled by alien strangers, and lesbians, and race pimps?
Then what...ship them on busses to the border and drop them off?
Yes.
You surely don't think that Mexico will allow busses with deportees across their border, do you?
No need. The buses today stop at the American end of the bridge, and the passengers disembark and walk across the bridge to Mexico.
Rounding them up and shipping them out is not practical, and if you can't see how the media would portray this as some Nazi-like activity you are naive. The hammering we would take would be intense and international in scope.
Shipping them out is very practical, when the alternative is to give them the vote so they can vote for Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton and Charlie Schumer and "Busta" Bustamante.
Of course we'll get hammered in the press. And if we don't do this, we'll get hammered in the press. Do you really care what your enemies think? This is your home we're talking about. This is as high-stakes as it gets.
President Bush's proposal is the beginning of a carrot and stick approach. I think it could be improved, but at least it is an attempt to get things under control.
No, I'm sorry, I must strongly disagree. It is advancing a position that his biggest backers have indicated to him they want to see the Administration adopt, so they can keep on getting cheap labor, uninterrupted by noisome and embarrassing INS raids, like the Wal-Mart raids.
I am interested in the idea of giving them a year's grace period to leave, and then investigating employers, schools, and universities. That is more stringent than President Bush's proposal, but it is at least practical.
It will have no effect on people who are pouring across the border now in the face of your displeasure. They'll treat it as a lame measure and ignore it. Getting serious, right now, is what engages the attention of serious people like the fence-jumpers.
It is a very dangerous atmosphere when the people agree with everything a politician does, especially when the only reason is that he is of their party.
What, in your mind, makes this problem complex?
To me, it is simple, almost trivially so.
Round 'em up and send 'em home-or don't.
It's a simple choice, both alternatives are simple.
Wherein lies the complexity?
Miss M., your posts are normally very astute, but I must ask:
Why do you think this is so?
It does not seem physically difficult, much less impossible, to round up all illegal aliens. It wouldn't take two months.
As far as it being economically impossible, this might be true (I am not that well informed on the Gross Illegal Alien Product), but it certainly seems like we could deal with it.
Please explain your comments.
Please cite evidence that illegal aliens must receive any specific procedural due process before being removed.
Any such "due process" flows from laws, and laws can be changed.
And they absolutely should be confined in secure facilities prior to removal beyond our borders, and again, the legality of such is a matter for Congress.
Wayne Gretsky, Peter Jennings, Michael J. Fox...
History repeats again.
I sure hope FReepers wise up.
It is necessary to face the fact that deporting all illegals is physically and economically impossible
I seem to remember us "deporting" all the Germans in France back into Germany during WW2. But since stuff like that is physically and economically impossible then I must be misremembering.
Get an on-line SS# database up and running within 3 months. Employers would be required to check out their employee's SS numbers or suffer fines and penalties. This will weed out at least half the illegal aliens. Without jobs they will self-deport themselves.
Pass a law that no illegal immigrant can enter a welfare office nor collect any kind of welfare benefits. Not even in the name of their children who might be American citizens. Many illegals will self-deport when this law goes into effect.
Yeah! Sure man! Real easy job!
Just stick a big bag over the Statue of Liberties head and go to it!
:-)
Seriously, many FReepers are just not understanding the politics of this issue and the negatives of any kind of mass deportation.
The Bush plan will give the U.S. political cover for deportation numbers that I expect to be quite high as a result of non-qualification and non-compliance to the new regs.(unwritten as of yet)
Why don't we help to write those regs rather than cry over something that must be addressed as soon as possible in a realistic fashion.
Mass deportations and Army border guards are not and never will be realistic in any sense of the word.
Political cover is currently needed to deport a half dozen.
So what do you think 8 million would need?
I plead guilty, I don't understand.
In polls, big, big majorities favor removing illegals and defending the borders.
If they rounded up eight million illegals and dropped them off in Mexico, I would cheer, and I imagine most Americans would as well.
Where's the beef? What don't I see?
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