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To: knighthawk
Europe's problem in the pension end reflects the very low birth rates. In Europe, the average number of births per woman is under 1.5, well below the 2.1 needed to have ZPG.

The reason for the low birth rate? Because of large government pensions, young people are financially strapped. In addition, because of poo education and high tax rates, about 25% of Western Europeans between ages 18 and 30 have never worked.

With these problems, Europe will not be competitive this century. Most of Europe is already on the long slide back to Islam. The United States must avoid their problems or face the same fate.

We need a high birth rate. With immigration from Central American and the Middle East, we have that. We need less government spending per capita. Under the current President and Congress, things are getting bleak for stopping runaway government spending. We need a work ethic. Most American high school students cheat regularly on their homework.

Conclusion: if we restricted immigration (legal or illegal) we would have a dying economy, like Europe.
9 posted on 01/21/2004 9:43:01 AM PST by markfiveFF
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To: markfiveFF

At last a more even handed description of the situation.
While I don't like illegal entry into the US, I do believe that we should encourage the legal way and make room for it.
We need to look at several situations very carefully.

First of all, we grew in population from 200 million to 300 million in the last 30 years. The argument that it will cost Americans their jobs, just doesn't hold water. In that time of growth, our employment ratio stayed overall very stable. If we believed some of the rhetoric, we should be at 40% unemployment. It doesn't happen. Immigrants are consumers and help the economy move forward.
We need population growth. If we don't grow we may wind up like Europe. They are experiencing a major population decline and their economy is in shambles. The lack of reproduction there is bringing in the Muslims to take up the slack. Their pension system and Healthcare system is bankrupt. Now some very interesting statistics:
20 years from now,Germany will have 65% of their population over the age of 65, placing an insurmoutable burden on the working people left. They already have been experiencing an enormeous "Brain Drain" over the years due to the fact that they have very limited opportunities in their own country. What do you think will happen to the population then? Knowing the socialist Government, they will simply choose to increase the Tax base in order to accomodate their people. That's how it has always been done, that's how they will continue.
Russia has a population of 127 million. The estimate fir 30 years from now is 77 Million.
We do need immigration to ensure our future economic and social survival. Just make it legal.


15 posted on 01/21/2004 9:58:38 AM PST by americanbychoice
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