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Gap widening between Bush and conservatives
Townhall.com ^ | January 23, 2004 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/23/2004 5:23:57 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy

Gap widening between Bush and conservatives


Jonah Goldberg

I thought President Bush's State of the Union address was fine. It wasn't outrageously long. He drew a bright line between himself and his critics on the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, Social Security Reform, etc. He delivered it well, and the nudity was tasteful and integral to the plot.

As luck - or bad timing - would have it, I was invited to Manhattan to address the New York State Conservative Party right before the president addressed the nation. It seemed only fitting since the subject of my speech was the conflict between Bush's "compassionate conservatism" and traditional conservatism. You see, conservatives in New York City have suffered more and for longer than conservatives in the rest of America. Trust me, I grew up on New York City's Upper West Side. We felt like Christians in Ancient Rome.

Well, after three years with George W. Bush at the helm, many conservatives are starting to feel like we've been sent to the catacombs. Don't get me wrong. Out in real America where most Americans - liberal and conservative - don't focus on politics every day, Bush is still doing very well. And, even among conservatives, Bush has considerable political support. But among ideological and intellectual conservatives, emotional support for Bush is starting to ebb.

I can't point to anything scientific. But if you pay attention to what conservatives are saying at meetings and in magazines, on the Web and at the think tanks, as well as what readers, friends, colleagues and sources say, there's a definite undercurrent of discontent with the president.

For some it started with his plan to offer amnesty-lite to illegal immigrants. For others, it's his fence-sitting on gay marriage. For others, like me, it was his signing of the campaign finance reform bill even though he thought it was unconstitutional. Or maybe it was his support for steel tariffs. Or the farm bill. I forget.

Anyway that doesn't matter. What unites pretty much all of these grumblers is a deep sense of, well, disgust with how much this administration is spending.

When it comes to taxpayer dollars, this is the second most "generous" administration in American history, second only to that of another Texan, Lyndon Johnson. There may be good aspects to George Bush's "compassionate conservatism," though on the whole I never liked it, but it's clear that compassion doesn't come cheap at the Bush White House, on whose watch overall spending from 2001 to 2003 grew at 16 percent and discretionary spending went up 27 percent. That's double Bill Clinton's rate.

Bush's defenders are eager to point to the war on terrorism as an excuse for increased spending. Fine. But that's only a small part of the story.

Under Bush, spending on education has gone up 60.8 percent, on labor 56 percent and on the Department of the Interior by 23.4 percent . The price tag for the president's Medicare plan alone starts, but won't end, at $400 billion. The farm bill was a pork horror show, pure and simple. More people work for the federal government now than at any time since the end of the Cold War.

Brian Riedl of the Heritage Foundation sums it up this way: "Overall for 2003, the federal government spent $20,300 per household, taxed $16,780 per household, and ran a budget deficit of $3,520 per household."

The reason most Americans haven't heard a lot about all this is twofold. Conservatives have stayed relatively quiet and liberals have controlled the anti-Bush microphone.

Democratic presidential candidates and interest groups have been screeching that the president is gutting education and abandoning the elderly. Obviously this is nonsense on tall stilts, since Bush is spending a lot more on both than Bill Clinton ever did.

In fact, on Medicare and education, for example, the Dems think Bush is being stingy. And a study by the National Taxpayers Union found that each and every one of the Democrats running for president have plans that would raise the deficit even more, from $169.6 billion under Joe Lieberman to - get this - $1.33 trillion under Al Sharpton.

Conservative opposition to such overspending is more complex than the media and the left think. Some just don't like red ink. Others think big government erodes freedom and traditional arrangements. Others believe it slowly inoculates the citizenry to greater levels of social engineering.

Whatever the reasons, conservatives - as opposed to partisan Republicans - have sincere misgivings about the kind of presidency Bush is conducting. A lot of compassionate conservatism is smart politics for the Republican Party, and some of it is even good policy. And, yes, conservatives understand that the GOP is practically the only place they have a real impact in electoral politics.

But I'm not sure George Bush understands how much he is asking from those who brought him to the dance.


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To: Reelect President Dubya
In other words, when you say things, you are just blowing smoke out of your exit orifice.

As we all are, when we predict the future.

However, I stand by my prediction.

I knew this post was going to put Energizers in all the 'Bots, but I never knew I would see phalanxes of them.

61 posted on 01/23/2004 6:12:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: carton253
Joe Citizen needs an assault weapon just in case he has to overthrow the government?

According to Thomas Jefferson, yes.

62 posted on 01/23/2004 6:13:22 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: thesummerwind
But, to be honest I have read JFK's domestic agenda during his term and he was more conservative the GWB is looking now. And that is just wrong!
Yes he was! But is there 'a sliding scale of conservatism' because of the disintegrating morality of this lame society? ;)


Like I said earlier I wish we had a Republican running in this election.
63 posted on 01/23/2004 6:13:57 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: carton253
Joe Citizen needs an assault weapon just in case he has to overthrow the government?

Of course in a world of tanks and jets and bio-weapons, it's a little more silly of a notion then it was in the 1700's.

64 posted on 01/23/2004 6:14:01 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: carton253
Well... that is not really an answer.

I know. The point I was trying to make is that there countless things most folks do not "need", but are yet free to own.

I used the car analogy as a comparative of "excess". One cannot own an assualt weapon because of the speed of discharging rounds, yet one can own a car that can go 220 MPH even though one's restricted to driving no faster than 65 MPH.

I don't own an assualt weapon, but would not mind having one. There are nasty scenarios now in play (post 9-11) where an assualt rifle might be a pretty good thing to have.
65 posted on 01/23/2004 6:14:03 AM PST by mr.pink
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To: Orangedog
Oh stop playing your silly games.

I am fully aware of what the 2nd Amendment says.

I am not looking to snatch your precious guns away from you.

I just wanted to know why a person needed an assault weapon... that's all.

If you can't answer it... then move on...

66 posted on 01/23/2004 6:14:26 AM PST by carton253 (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
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To: carton253
Please define assault weapon.
If you ask BATF on a bad day they may tell you your daisy air BB rifle is an assault weapon.
67 posted on 01/23/2004 6:14:34 AM PST by KEVLAR
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To: carton253
That said... can anyone tell me why anyone would need to own an assault weapon?

I knew it.

Scratch any given squishy Bushbot, and you'll invariably find a gungrabbing weenie.

68 posted on 01/23/2004 6:16:20 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: Lazamataz
According to Thomas Jefferson, yes.

Thank you for answering that. As good as reason as any I suppose. I'm not against citizens owning assault weapons. I just could never fathom why anyone would need one.

BTW, you aren't paramilitary, are you? :)

69 posted on 01/23/2004 6:17:33 AM PST by carton253 (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
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To: KEVLAR

Vote Dubya!

Because Jackbooted Thugs are just as loved by R's as D's!

70 posted on 01/23/2004 6:17:33 AM PST by KantianBurke (2+2 does NOT equal 5)
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To: Lazamataz

Say you. Say me.
Say it together. Naturally.

71 posted on 01/23/2004 6:18:56 AM PST by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY.*)
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To: RiflemanSharpe
"I do wish we had a republican running in this election." (SARCASM OFF)
How about a conservative?
72 posted on 01/23/2004 6:19:27 AM PST by em2vn
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To: Lazamataz
Laz...

So, that's how the game is played by you.

When somone asks a question about your pet issue, you rush to judgement, call names, and lie about that person's position.

I'm not a squishy Bushbot... I'm not a gun grabbing weeine... so you can come out of your bunker. Your guns are safe from me.

I was just asking a question.

73 posted on 01/23/2004 6:21:25 AM PST by carton253 (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
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To: carton253
That said... can anyone tell me why anyone would need to own an assault weapon?

I've answered this one a million times. Let's go for 1,000,001.

I compete in the DCM/CMP. It uses an army-standard qualifying proficiency course in its competition. Usually, the venerable M1-Garand from world war II or the slightly newer M1-A with the detachable box magazine are used.

These are fine competition weapons, not so-called 'assault weapons' as gungrabbing weenies would call them.

Some people are gun collectors. I was until recently. I was starting a collection of semiauto copies of military weapons of the world.

Assault weapons are full-auto weapons. The semi-autos that are being banned are not full auto and only LOOK like the full-auto versions. Because they cause you to pee your pants in fright should in no way impact my ownership of them.

74 posted on 01/23/2004 6:22:16 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: Lazamataz
...conservatives - as opposed to partisan Republicans - have sincere misgivings about the kind of presidency Bush is conducting.

Yes.

75 posted on 01/23/2004 6:23:34 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: mr.pink
I don't have a problem with you owning 10 of them. I was just hoping for more an answer than "mommy said I can." I have to face these kind of questions all the time. I just wanted to have more meat to my answers than the 2nd Amendment...which is a pretty strong reason except when dealing with Liberal Professors.
76 posted on 01/23/2004 6:23:43 AM PST by carton253 (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States and war is what they got!)
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To: carton253
The term "assault weapon" as used here is incorrect. A true "assaultd weapon" is a military combat weapon that can be fired on full automatic.
"Assault weapons" as discussed here are only capable of firing on semi-automatic, pull the trigger and one shot is fired. This means of firing has been available to Americans for over one hundred years.
77 posted on 01/23/2004 6:23:58 AM PST by em2vn
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To: carton253
When somone asks a question about your pet issue, you rush to judgement, call names, and lie about that person's position. I'm not a squishy Bushbot... I'm not a gun grabbing weeine... so you can come out of your bunker. Your guns are safe from me.

Okay, I take it back, that and the pee-pants comment. :o)

(It's just that gun grabbers really piss me off.)

78 posted on 01/23/2004 6:24:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (The Republicans have turned into Democrats, and the Democrats have turned into Marxists.)
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To: Lazamataz
Conservatives may as well learn to enjoy bending over and grabbing our ankles while the Republicans do unto us like the 'rats do the blacks. Where are we going to go?

The short man with the big ears taught me the folly of thinking I had any choice, other than how fast this hand basket gets to hell. Republicans will get us there slower. The ultimate destination remains the same.

79 posted on 01/23/2004 6:24:29 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (The road to Glory cannot be followed with too much baggage.)
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To: Lazamataz
Why should he alienate his base by gutting the First Amendment with CFR?

We're not his base.

Why should he alienate his base by declaring "Open Border Season"?

We're not his base.

Why should he alienate his base by signing massive new prescription drug benefits?

We're not his base.

Why should he alienate his base by proposing Universal Hillary Care?

Sorry Laz, just repeating the mantra, we're not his base. Blackbird.

80 posted on 01/23/2004 6:24:36 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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