Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles (thread 2) Daily Terror Threat

DEBKA ^ | 11/03/03

[Mossad1967]

Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles

Link to Thread #1

[JustPiper]

One thing I learned when mine were younger was usually there is a difference in the learning styles of boys/girls. My son was a visual learner, turns out this guy is beyond smart. My daughter was an audio learner and listening to things worked better. How old is yours?

[nw_arizona_granny]

Don't forget the man who was taking the bolts out of the same towers last fall.

He had a web site and it was full of Palestine promotion.

He was played us as militia, not called a terrorist.

He was arrested during the Calif. fires as I recall and it was thought that he had done so in California, Oregon and his home state of Washington.

It was in the Sacramento Bee, I think, I remember sending it to friends in Calif.

The motor block would possibly explode and send schrapnel (sp?) into the tower and weaken it.

Some of it was planned so the tower would be weakened and the wind would cause it to collapse.

[appalachian_dweller]

Hi JM,
I did a search for the Russian exercises but couldn't find anything.

Could you post a link to some info on what the Russians are up to? Any info would be most appreciated.

Thanks!

[Labyrinthos]

They are pushing the envelope at the very least to see our weaknesses.

The converse is that we get to see Russia's weaknesses in action. I think we have a lot more to gain than Russia has by this exercise, and I wouldn't be surprised if we turned it into an exercise of our own.

[judicial meanz]

Courtesy Moscow Times:http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2004/02/02/001.html

Monday, Feb. 2, 2004. Page 1

Military Planning Nuclear Exercises

By Vladimir Isachenkov
The Associated Press Russia's nuclear forces reportedly are preparing their largest maneuvers in two decades, an exercise involving the test-firing of missiles and flights by dozens of bombers in a massive simulation of an all-out nuclear war.

President Vladimir Putin is expected to personally oversee the maneuvers, which are apparently aimed at demonstrating the revival of the nation's military might and come ahead of elections in March.

Kommersant said the exercise was set for mid-February and would closely resemble a 1982 Soviet exercise dubbed the "seven-hour nuclear war" that put the West on edge.

Official comments on the upcoming exercise have been sketchy. The chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel General Nikolai Solovtsov, was quoted by the Interfax-Military News Agency as saying the planned maneuvers would involve several launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles in various regions, but he would not give further details.

A Defense Ministry spokesman refused to comment Friday on the reports. The military typically says little about imminent exercises.

In Washington, the U.S. State Department said it has seen reports that Russia has plans to conduct the exercises in February. The department also said Russia is obliged to notify the United States 24 hours before a missile test and has done so in the past.

Kommersant said the maneuvers would involve Tu-160 strategic bombers test-firing cruise missiles over the northern Atlantic. Analysts describe such an exercise as an imitation of a nuclear attack on the United States. Other groups of bombers will fly over Russia's Arctic regions and test-fire missiles at a southern range near the Caspian Sea, the newspaper said. As part of the exercise, the military is planning to conduct several launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles, including one from a nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea, the Kommersant report said. The military also plans to launch military satellites from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan and the Plesetsk launch pad in northern Russia -- a simulation of the replacement of satellites lost in action, Kommersant said.

Russia's system warning of an enemy missile attack and a missile defense system protecting Moscow will also be involved in the exercise, it added.

Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent military analyst, said the military has regularly held nuclear exercises that were timed to coincide with the annual test-firing of aging Soviet-built missiles.

"It has been a routine affair, but it can be expanded if they want a show," he said.

Ivan Safranchuk, head of the Moscow office of the Center for Defense Information, a Washington-based think tank, said the maneuvers would further strengthen Putin's popularity ahead of the March 14 presidential election, which he is expected to win easily.

Putin has pledged to rebuild the country's military might and restore pride to the demoralized service. When he ran for his first term in 2000, he flew as a second pilot in a fighter jet and later donned naval officer's garb on a visit to a nuclear submarine -- images that played well with many voters who are nostalgic for Soviet global power and military prestige.

"This exercise will make a great show, with Putin receiving reports from military commanders," Safranchuk said.

Kommersant said Moscow had notified Washington about the exercise, describing it as part of efforts to fend off terror threats even though it imitates the Cold War scenario of an all-out war.

"The exercise follows the old scenario, and casting it as anti-terror is absurd," Safranchuk said.

Putin's support for the United States following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks bolstered relations with Washington and helped broker a new U.S.-Russian nuclear arms reduction deal and a Russia-NATO partnership agreement in 2002.

But U.S.-Russian relations soured over Moscow's criticism of the war in Iraq , U.S. concerns about authoritarian trends in the Kremlin's domestic policy and Russia's perceived attempts to assert its authority over ex-Soviet neighbors.

[Domestic Church]

That's it... we have to make a compilation of these on a CD. Talk about your psych-ops,lol!

Does anyone know the name of the Bluegrass band that does a rendition of Darkside of the Moon? I'm starting a list. Please freepmail me whenever you come across this silly zombie music. It's my calling,lol.

[knak]

He's eight. He just hates pages of equations. He's a grade ahead of where he should be and 2 grades ahead in math.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Piper,

The book needs to be called "America is asleep".

It would be sold as fiction and I would get committed to a life in a barred hotel.

Your list points up the problems of America, 75% is a pretty big goal for the winners.

[Labyrinthos]

Nice analogy re Putin.

[Domestic Church]

Good grief... "In the white room with black curtains" with finger pickin and fiddlin a la Vassar Clements.

[appalachian_dweller]

Thanks JM! These exercises sound huge. I hope NORAD keeps an eye on them. The thought of Russia launching ICBMs and cruise missles is disquieting.

[Victorious]

Russia would want to hit us before we were able to deploy our missle defense system right?

[Domestic Church]

"Bible speak of a Russian/Arab confederation"

Gog/Magog?

[ContemptofCourt]

I'm sorry, I was looking for a logical response. Please, do tell why, if Al Q is Russia's proxy, Russia would not give them the bomb?

Furthermore, this is the real reason for the manuevers: Putin has pledged to rebuild the country's military might and restore pride to the demoralized service. When he ran for his first term in 2000, he flew as a second pilot in a fighter jet and later donned naval officer's garb on a visit to a nuclear submarine -- images that played well with many voters who are nostalgic for Soviet global power and military prestige. "This exercise will make a great show, with Putin receiving reports from military commanders," Safranchuk said.

There are cold, hard facts that you are failing to grasp, here. First, Russia can not afford to pay its soldiers, let alone take over the US. Second, Russia is dealing with terrorism on its own turf, and the muslims are a real threat to them at this time...they don't have the time to deal with nuking the US and dealing with that aftermath. Third, you still have not given me a motive...and saying that "they have always wanted that" does not count. You see, why would they shut off their ATM machine? Fourth, Russia is sitting on a huge oil reserve, so oil is not the issue. Fifth, if Russia really did want to take over the US, would they tell us weeks in advance to prepare?

[Domestic Church]

"in a book called "Charm School", about our Nam/POW's being used in Russia to train Russian Spies, "

That's right out of the Manchurian Candidate.

[flutters]

Are they sure they were video-taping & not watching a movie through the playback feature?

I haven't flown since 911, but before that my husband and I went to England on the Concorde. We video taped everything. The pilots invited the passengers to tour the cockpit and we even video taped that. I would think things have changed since 911, but perhaps not.

[Letitring]

Yes, I think so.

[judicial meanz]

Its just an opinion, but I believe they would because once the missile defense system is fielded, they lose a huge strategic advantage.