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To: NothingMan
Excellent post. I have to tell you, however, that you are shoveling sand against the tide here.

There are some well intentioned posters here, and there are also some smart and informed lurkers.

However, there are some folks here that have guzzled the conspiracy and rumor cool-aid, and thoughtful analysis is not the remedy for their self-induced anxiety attack.

If you lurk long enough, and read every post, you will find that for some, it's like deposing a witness. The more they talk, the more they spin, the less credible the story. Well intentioned as some of them may be, once you challenge the conclusion, or even some of the predicates, they will be on you.
6,517 posted on 02/05/2004 11:30:55 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: Iron Eagle
You are a very condescending person.
6,520 posted on 02/05/2004 11:33:28 AM PST by Calpernia (http://members.cox.net/classicweb/Heroes/heroes.htm)
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To: Iron Eagle
it's like deposing a witness. The more they talk, the more they spin, the less credible the story.

Great analogy. A great depositions is when, after pinning the witness in the corner, he say's "I don't have to take this fing shitake," as he storms out of the room while calling you all sorts of names.

6,537 posted on 02/05/2004 12:17:54 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: NothingMan
Welcome.

Good post. Shows you are thinking. Who knows who is right, but it's fun to speculate.


I don't see any gain for Russia from destroying the US.
They are not run by idiots, therefore they must realize we don't threaten them.

Their relationship with China and N korea is not so comfy. China is a big threat to them and is growing stronger every day. NK is insane, but is kept on leash by the Chicoms.

Islam hates the Russians, as well as the Chinese, and us and Europe too. Basically they want to wreck everything.

I imagine the russians are able to manipulate them somewhat, but don't have that much control. I guess China has much more influence, since they have far less of a border with Islamic states and plenty of money and new weapons to distribute. Islam makes nothing so they will lick the hands that feed them weapons and material.
For now.

Basically, The Russians need to pretend to be friends with China, but are preparing for betrayal and to defend themselves.
They try to manipulate the Moslems too, where ever possible, to buy more time to prepare.

Islam takes help where they can get it but plans to turn on each of their allies as the opportunities present themselves.

China wants to dominate the globe, and is well on the way to doing so, with assistance from Islamic nutjobs, South American Commie leaders and Narco-terrorists, and the many, many traitors within our own government. China does not see the US as a Golden Goose, but as a village of fat, rich,greedy idiots who should rightfully be plundered (accomplished) and then destroyed.

As their "allies" outlive their usefulness they will be taken over or liquidated.

One mustn't forget the idiots in the EU. What do they have, if not dreams of past glory to sustain themselves? I figure them as so far from reality they can't see it from a mountaintop. But they will side with anyone against us, as their hubris allows them to believe they can control things to their own benefit and come out on top. Like the other powers, they try to manipulate their allies and enemies in hopes of pushing them against someone else. They are just stupid and arrogant enough to start the fire themselves if they don't fracture themselves before then.

Latin America would like to play too, but they are never going to be anything but someone else's tools. That's not to say that we will never face a hundred million man army on our southern flank. In fact, with just the right amount of bad luck, that could happen.

In summary, everyone is playing a game of preparation for the big event. They all plan to outsmart the others and at the last minute, pull the rug out from under their enemies and allies alike.

The big deals in WWIV will be assymetrical warfare and treachery.

I've covered a lot of ground and skipped a lot, but I have great difficulty in typing so I am usually too brief.

Look forward to reading more from you.

6,556 posted on 02/05/2004 1:01:32 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Iron Eagle; NothingMan
thoughtful analysis is not the remedy for their self-induced anxiety attack

I for one am glad NothingMan has arrived, welcome aboard NM!

6,585 posted on 02/05/2004 1:25:13 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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