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To: thecabal
Hopefully, this will teach people to fight back.

Hopefully the right man has been caught and will be terribly punished, and such horrors will become less common so that people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper.

However, in this vale of tears, not all evil can be stopped. There will be people, evil and strong, in each generation. The task of stopping them is set for adults.

49 posted on 02/06/2004 4:43:33 AM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Steve Eisenberg
Hopefully the right man has been caught and will be terribly punished, and such horrors will become less common so that people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper.

I don't know what to say about someone who advocates the complete destruction of a child's self-preservation instinct.

Impossible task? If she had resisted and screamed and yelled, maybe someone could have helped her. If she kicked him and ran, maybe she could have escaped. Look what your method got her.

Oh, and do you really think that our most terrible punishment, a lethal injection, will deter future psychos like this scum?

51 posted on 02/06/2004 4:58:15 AM PST by thecabal
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To: Steve Eisenberg
You're right that stopping the evil is a task for adults, but like most of us, I don't intend to leave ANY stone unturned in trying to keep my children safe. People have mentioned a lot of different tactics on this thread, and no doubt, depending on personalities, stress reactions, etc., some would work better for certain children than others. Each parent has to figure out how best to teach their children to be safe. There also is no substitute for a watchful parent. The story that really got to me was the one, was it last year, where the woman grabbed a child from a shopping cart while the mother loaded the car. I think the perpetrator had been cruising a Wal Mart parking lot or something, but the child was recovered very quickly. As paranoid as I am, I would not have thought that mother was in a dangerous situation, but now I do. I told my own mother this morning that I feel like I won't let my son walk to the mailbox till he is twenty years old. And while I want to raise my son to be respectful to adults, etc., I am also thinking very hard about how I will teach him to fight with every fiber of his being if something like this ever happened to him. I do think children have got to be taught to fight off attackers. I agree with you 110% that this shouldn't be necessary, but in today's world, I am convinced that it is essential.
52 posted on 02/06/2004 5:11:05 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: Steve Eisenberg
" people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper. However, in this vale of tears, not all evil can be stopped. There will be people, evil and strong, in each generation. The task of stopping them is set for adults.

There are always going to be people like that.

"...people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper. The task of stopping them is set for adults."

The task of adults is to teach them the facts and how to escape and also fight back. Part of it means encourging them to not be listen to, or be afraid of people that teach and insist on nonviolence, or that they are inept, because they have no training. Teach the kid that they have little chance of survival in the end unless thay shove a knife through the attackers heart, slit their throat, or shove a pencil in their eye socket all the way down to the eraser.

Teach them that those attempting to disarm them in any way and lay sanctions on them for taking defensive actions are just as evil and maybe worse than the molester. It's called refusing to be a victim and it works.

Teach the kid what not to do. Then how to feign a display of fright, fear and the intractable child whithin, while at the same time holding internal composure. Teach them escape is their best chance, but if that fails and they catch you to swiftly turn around and kill them with the knife you gave them and the instruction on how to use it. I've taught several girls 8-11, that are still here, because they took and implemented that advice. I also taught my own daughter.

53 posted on 02/06/2004 6:23:30 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Steve Eisenberg
What I think you are missing is that many criminals want to harm/ abduct /whatever victims, those who don't fight back or make a scene. They want it easy, so they will frequently back off from a hassle. Meekness and submission will work against us.

Sure, it might not work every time, but wouldn't you want to give kids a fighting chance? Not to mention the guilt that people face after surviving criminal acts... "oh, if I had only fought back..."

Besides, if someone is abducting someone, it's not like it's going to be much worse if you resist.

How utterly defeatist!

62 posted on 02/06/2004 7:55:30 PM PST by technochick99
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