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I'm NOT casting aspersion, nor making a personal attack, but for all of our sakes, look reality squarely in the face. The president is going to do what he's going to do. You don't have a voice in that. THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY; WE ARE A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC!

I am a Conservative. I have been active in politics since I was a teen and around those actuallyin politics, all of my life.Vaunted principles have cost the GOP, dearly, in the past. Just ask yourself if you'd rather have some of what you want or NONE .

The percent of raving far right wingers is tiny. The percent of Conservatives, though larger, is still smallish.Are you telling me that President Bush, who IS the president of the entire country, should listen to and follow the farthest edge of the right? If so, then you don't understand politics at all.

"I'm NOT casting aspersion, nor making a personal attack, but for all of our sakes, look reality squarely in the face. The president is going to do what he's going to do. You don't have a voice in that. THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY; WE ARE A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC!"

Run out of the Haldol?

" THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY; WE ARE A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC!"

And those who made it known to there congress critters have made it know to Bush and Rove.

"You don't have a voice in that."

To hell I don't.

You scare me with your reasoning. I mean are there Americans who really believe what you are saying. Ouch! That is messed up. You are pushing me farther away from voting for Bush...not closer. That is about all I have to say at this time.

The percent of raving far right wingers is tiny. The percent of Conservatives, though larger, is still smallish.Are you telling me that President Bush, who IS the president of the entire country, should listen to and follow the farthest edge of the right? If so, then you don't understand politics at all.

Herein our dilemma is crystallized. You both have been injecting reality into this debate by referencing demographics.

I think what gets so many of us frustrated is the fact that Bush/Rove are expanding the party by morphing into left-centrists instead of educating people to the ideal of small government conservatism. It's not that hard when you have the bully pulpit. Reagan did it relentlessly. It's also a lot cheaper, and it actually does the nation good in the long run instead of actual harm, which many of his proposals will do.

Just yesterday I got into a discussion with an extreme leftist, a highly educated, wealthy Jewish lady with Democrat stickers all over her minivan (a customer, and I still made the sale- lol) and she had never even heard of the Libertarian Party. (I wasn't pushing the LP, but when I referred to it, her ignorance was startling.) We started talking politics, she was spouting the Bush conspiracy line about Iraq, blablabla, and I started talking about limited government. She was in complete agreement, but all she knew was the party line of the Dems.

My point is the need to reach people like that, they can be educated. All the spending and stuff isn't going to bring them in. A fresh outlook will, with some of them.

In the meantime, I'll just make as much noise as possible to counteract the mass stupidity out there.

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."