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To: rudy45
I agree with you completely. Let me state that I have very little doubt (and this is even given the fact that I'm agnostic) that the Biblical account is accurate and there were Jewish leaders at the time whose power was threatened and who wanted him taken out. It makes sense, and I think that at that point in history -any- group of -any- race that was in power would have had -some- leaders that would have responded to someone like Jesus in just such a way. To doubt that almost seems silly to me. What would one -expect-, unless you think that Jews from 2000 years ago were so -super-human and ethical and selfless than any other group in existence that they couldn't even have bad -individuals-?

That said, even though I absolutely believe that some Jews -did- lead Jesus to the Romans and requested that he be killed, many others were apalled by that act, and it has -absolutely zero bearing on any Jew today-.

That should be obvious.

What really bothers me, though, is putting myself in the shoes of a Christian, and watching people say things like "You have to denounce anti-Semitism because there's been so much of it from Christians in the past". That's like telling Jews that they have to denounce that their ancestors killed Jesus. Like telling them that, due to their ancestor's actions, they owe an -apology-. Christians alive today don't have -any- obligation to apologize for pogroms committed in the middle ages, I'm sorry. You (generic you) can't believe that they -do- have to apologize for the sins of their fathers, and Jews -don't-, not without the exact same bias that is being railed against.

But all the focus is on blame being passed down through generations on the Jews, and none on the fact that the entire controversy is happening -because- people are passing guilt down through generations to Christians. Especially when the Christians of today are such fervent supporters of Israel. That's what makes it really appalling to me.

Qwinn
134 posted on 02/27/2004 5:16:34 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
Let me state that I have very little doubt (and this is even given the fact that I'm agnostic) that the Biblical account is accurate

That's curious... on what do your base your faith in the Bible's historical accuracy if you call yourself an agnostic?
138 posted on 02/27/2004 5:19:48 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Qwinn
What really bothers me, though, is putting myself in the shoes of a Christian, and watching people say things like "You have to denounce anti-Semitism because there's been so much of it from Christians in the past".

And the OT is a history of the Jews winning and losing wars

So called promised land actually was inhabited by other people and the Jews took it from them
305 posted on 02/27/2004 7:22:33 AM PST by uncbob
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