Darwinism to Face Scrutiny in Ohio and Minnesota

family ^ | 02.26.04

[Joe Bonforte]

I don't wish to be drawn into an argument on this subject...

With a position like you've espoused, I don't blame you.

[PatrickHenry]

PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]

[longshadow]

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[PatrickHenry]

If anyone's interested, there was another thread started today about the same issue in Oklahoma:
Bill requiring evolution disclaimer clears House .

[RightWingNilla]

Hey, you guys go ahead and play in this space if you like. But I'm telling you - it does not help your mission. It just makes you look like kooks, and makes it more difficult to advance the rest of the conservative agenda.

Well said.

[MegaSilver]

There's really no conflict between evolution and religion. That's why this argument is so pointless.

I agree, but what I'm interested in is the truth. If someone can show me convincingly that evolution is true, fine. If they can't, I won't believe it.

[Betaille]

"I don't know a single person in my church circles that disputes evolution. There's really no conflict between evolution and religion."

That totally depends on your interpretation of both evolution and religion, you cannot make such a broad statement, it just doesn't apply to everyone. And as for you ridiculing the guy who doesn't want to discuss the issue with you... religious people should not HAVE to explain their views on everything... it is their own personal beleifs. It is the same way on gay marriage... there are alot of good reasons for a constitutional amendment defending marriage, but I don't have to express them and explain them to every athiest liberal who hates traditional marriage. You have a right to question, but not a right to be answered.

[VadeRetro]

I'll jump into this one with both teeth in the morning.

[RightWingNilla]

I'll jump into this one with both teeth in the morning.

Check out the other thread too. Weve got creationists waving guns around in there.

[Joe Bonforte]

religious people should not HAVE to explain their views on everything...

Absolutely correct. But there's no justification for having unexplainable views, and then simultaneously expecting them to be forced into classrooms by law. If they are unexplainable, they belong in your church or your home.

Otherwise, why can't the Buddhists force their version of creation into the curriculum?

[Betaille]

"If they are unexplainable, they belong in your church or your home."

If most parents could choose what school their kids go to you would be right. Unfortunately they can not, so parents have the right to make a school teach their children THEIR values, not the New york times' values. Beleive me, I don't want religion in public schools... but i dont want my kids in public schools either. Stupid policies force tough decisions.

[Coleus]

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[ohioWfan]

"In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth" BUMP!!

Thanks for the ping, Coleus, and the contact info.

I'll be busy on the phone next week.....

[Dimensio]

A day isn't even a day for the space station crew, our days are slightly faster than theirs because they are moving faster than we are.

Pfft, next thing is you'll be telling us that the earth isn't the center of the universe, which we know to be false and unBiblical.

[ohioWfan]

There's really no conflict between evolution and religion. That's why this argument is so pointless.

Not pointless, Joe.

The difference between Divine Purpose and chance is enormous, and the contrast between confidence in the knowledge that we were lovingly created by the Almighty God, or the hopelessness that results from thinking we descended from slimy algae couldn't be greater.

I submit that many of our country's problems......abortion, despair, meaningless lives..... are direct descendents of a purposefully Godless theory of our origins.

[Dimensio]

I submit that many of our country's problems......abortion, despair, meaningless lives..... are direct descendents of a purposefully Godless theory of our origins.

And therefore evolution is false?

[ohioWfan]

I'll bet Buddhists believe in Intelligent Design.

That's what needs to be taught as a theory, along with evolution which is a THEORY, taught as FACT.

In public schools, both should be taught, so kids no longer get atheism crammed down their throats under the guise of science.

[ThinkDifferent]

religious people should not HAVE to explain their views on everything...

When you want your views enforced by government at gunpoint, you certainly should have to explain them.

[ohioWfan]

Well, I believe that evolution is false.

But that wasn't my point, which I'm sure you already know.

My point was the children who are taught that our origin was nothing but an accident of chance are far more likely to feel that their lives are without purpose and meaning.

If you look at literature, art, music in the 20th century you will see what was, IMO, the result of atheistic evolution.......meaninglessness.

I also believe the problem of abortion is an inevitable result of the lack of value placed on life due to evolution. Destruction of the weak by the strong.

Understanding that we are the special creation of a loving God changes your whole perspective, and understanding of the purpose of humanity.

[pcx99]

The difference between Divine Purpose and chance is enormous, and the contrast between confidence in the knowledge that we were lovingly created by the Almighty God, or the hopelessness that results from thinking we descended from slimy algae couldn't be greater.

Ah such tiny tiny thinking. What makes you think evolution is chance? Mankind has been domesticating canines for thousands of years, the chiwawa is evolved from the wild wolf was that chance? Of course not.

Also the bible specifically says God created Adam from the dust of the ground, the animals and plants were created in their kind but there's no real specifics there so evolution for plants and animals isn't denied by the bible because it's simply not mentioned. But Man, man was created specifically from the dust of the ground, we were not evolved from algie (as you put it).

Create a universe in a set state? That's like setting a billiard ball down before the pocket and tapping it into the hole. Take an infinite amount of mass and universe and explode it all to form the infinately large and the infinately small and along the way produce us, now you're talking about putting all the balls on the the pool table and breaking the set so the balls disintigrate into a cloud of dust leaving the word "cool" on the table.

God is so much more awesome than even the believers can even begin to understand :)